Is The Controller To Blame For The Comair Crash?
A federal investigator says the air traffic controller had worked for almost 15 hours and slept for two.
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Comair Controller responsibility
No, the responsibility for the safety of the aircraft begins and ends with the pilot.
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now I haven't been following this story closely at all. But is this the plane that tried taking off on too short of a runway ? From what little I remember hearing, it seems someone was looking at old information as far as the runway layout ?
yes, I agree the repsponsibility of the plane falls on the pilot, but when it comes to what runway do they taxi down and use for take off or landings, does that information not come from the Tower ? Latenight. |
If I recall the story, they were clear for take-off and the pilot took the incorrect runway. If I am wrong someone correct me here I don't feel like going back and reread the story. I know a lawsuit was filed w/in one week of that happening.
I fear flying now and I just got over fear of flying w/in the past year. Sucks now!!! Pilot error I am honestly leaning towards but as I said I maybe wrong. None of them get much sleep you have to think, your plane lands around 12AM that is very common and they have to fly out around 6am the next morning. That doesn't seem like a lot of sleep to me. Just like the Las Vegas flights you leave at 11:30PM but think of the time it really is when they go east. If you land EST you land around 8:30AM and do you think the pilots go to bed? They just flew all night even though that may have been a 5 hr. flight. |
As a "techie", what I find most disturbing is that a simple $15 RFID tag the size of a pack of chewing gum embedded in the airplane, along with a $500 RFID tag reader embedded in the runway, could have prevented this airplane from taking off on the wrong runway. A simple alarm should have gone off in either the cockpit or tower (or both), just as if a burgular tried to open the wrong window in a home with an alarm installed.
This is not "rocket science" as they say. If Fedex, Walmart, and UPS can route boxes with barcodes and RFID tags, then why can't an airport route airplanes the same way? (as a backup measure of course) I agree that the responsibility lies with the Captain to make sure he is steering the plane correctly. But it never hurts to backup humans with alarm mechanisms. Heck even a set of pressure sensors on the taxiways, or Infrared "eye" across the runway would work. These are ancient technologies. LOL, my garage door will not close if there is an obstruction in the way of the Infrared LED beam. |
Wrong runway
The pilot was using an airport chart that was 6 or 9 months out of date.
>I fear flying now and I just got over fear of flying w/in the past year. Why do you fear flying now? The fact that accidents like this are rare enough to be big news should clue you in to the fact that air travel is incredibly safe. You're a lot more likely to get killed sitting at your computer right now than you are likely to get killed on a commercial aircraft. |
prevention
>why can't an airport route airplanes the same way?
Because it would be waste of time, effort, and money. Accidents like this don't happen enough to worry about. |
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A pilot making a mistake as this one did makes my fear go up it's called attention to detail and he didn't have this. |
LOL I have to agree with Scarlett on this one. For me, my problem with flying is about the same problem I have with being in a car when someone else is driving.. the loss of control.
Not to mention something as big as a plane has no business floatin' around up there.. just waiting for gravity to SUCK IT BACK DOWN the first chance it gets ;) Now I've been on plenty of plane rides in my time. But it has been some time since I've been on one, and have no real desire to get back on one. Perhaps one of these days. |
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OK, I have the answer... Tom Tom Go! Lots of new cars have GPS navigation systems that show (and tell) the driver where he is and were to go. Why don't commercial airplanes use GPS nav systems on the ground at busy (and not so busy) commercial taxiways? I figured the technology in a cockpit is at least as comprehensive as an average luxury car. It's hard to get it wrong when you keep the triangle on the red line, plus an alarm can go off if you are off track. I mean come on, farm tractors use GPS nav systems to make pretty clean crop rows. Even single engine crop duster airplanes have GPS nav systems to help them provide even coverage with less waste. |
Ya always hear about how "rare" it is for an airplane to crash. Yeah yeah, I know...its all relative. But I dont think a damn day goes by that we dont hear about an airplane crashing SOMEWHERE on the globe. And the number of folks that "buy it" when a plane goes down sorta shakes out...sure, theres umpteen car accidents every day, but youre talking about one or two folks per accident, whereas when a plane crashes it might be carrying 200 people...and that plane carrying 200 souls might just land on top of a school full of kids or something. And now the chances are about even that you'll end up on the flight with the hijackers on board...or there'll be some guy on the ground with a Stinger shooting at ya....Theres just a higher body-count potential... Hell I dont know.
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it's just scary to fly period you just never know when it's your time and I don't want to leave any quicker than I have to. |
Accident rate
>I dont think a damn day goes by that we dont hear about an airplane crashing SOMEWHERE on the globe
You're kidding, right? Commercial aviation crashes are exceedingly rare in every country. |
Yeah..so exceedingly rare that it happens on a daily basis.
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Commercial Aviation Crashes
It does?
Where did one happen today? Yesterday? |
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if he had worked to long he should have made a report on this so it would have been on record and he would not be taking so much heat. Either way it is very sad for all parties. |
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Here's one. Little chance of survivors in Brazil crash Quote:
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Daily
That's hardly "daily."
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joepole, you are correct. Commercial aviation is *by far* the safest form of travel by any measure. Speaking for myself, I do not know anyone who was killed in a plane accident. But my brother and my accountant were both killed in car accidents in the 80's.
Driving is dangerous, yet is doesn't make me nervous at all to drive a car, as long as I am driving. But I hate to ride as a passenger in a car. As for flying, I simply hate it (post 9/11) even though I know it is safer. I have never piloted an airplane but I figure as long as I am "driving" I feel safe.. LOL, I think a lot of people may feel that way. |
Yea, that's my deal as well. I'd feel safer if I was flying the plane, and I certainly feel safer when I'm driving.
"Don't like ridin', on the passenger side" Wilco wrote a little song about, goes somethin' like this... :cool: Passenger Side |
Safest
>joepole, you are correct. Commercial aviation is *by far* the safest form of travel by any measure.
I wonder if subways or busses are safer. |
I know it's not practical for everyone. time being an issue like it is. But I've taken a few train trips across country before, and I had a blast.
Rode the Crescent City ? line from New Orleans to New York a few years back. Now I've flown from LA to NY countless times, but sitting in a Lounge car and watching the countryside roll by is something else! Also took the American Eagle express from Chicago to Denver, and that was a great trip as well. Eating dinner in the dining car and a few drinks in the lounge car... it's a GREAT way to travel :) is it safer than flying, heck if I know. And I know it takes longer, but it was nice to sit back and take it easy, not being in any hurry for a change. |
Train travel
Train travel is nice but it's SLOW and not much cheaper (if any) than flying. If I can spend the same cash for a 4 hour trip or a 20 hour trip, why would I ever choose the latter?
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