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Morpheus 10-31-2007 05:05 PM

Any smokers on the forum
 
Any smokers on the forum? Just curious. I'm tobacco free myself and really enjoying the smoke free restaurants.

Isaac-Saxxon 10-31-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus (Post 23849)
Any smokers on the forum? Just curious. I'm tobacco free myself and really enjoying the smoke free restaurants.

Nothing worse than going to a restaurant and having to sit in the smoking section because there are no other seats. Now that is not a problem.

joepole 10-31-2007 07:03 PM

The smoking ban is one of the rare occasions where I am opposed to a law that really benefits me.

rhertz 10-31-2007 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 23857)
The smoking ban is one of the rare occasions where I am opposed to a law that really benefits me.

I agree. I'm not a smoker but I do not want or need the government to save me in that regard.

Morpheus 10-31-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 23857)
The smoking ban is one of the rare occasions where I am opposed to a law that really benefits me.

Not really surprising from someone that campaigns for the right to beat off in public bathrooms. I had you pegged for a smoker though.

Morpheus 10-31-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz (Post 23869)
I agree. I'm not a smoker but I do not want or need the government to save me in that regard.

regulation is the cornerstone of society. without it there would be chaos.

rhertz 10-31-2007 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus (Post 23889)
regulation is the cornerstone of society. without it there would be chaos.

In my opinion, capitalism is the cornerstone of society. Without it there would be no competition or choice. I think entrepeneurs should be able to develop and establish smokers-only restaurants, no-smoking restaurants, and everything in between. Nobody has to patronize any particular establishment if they don't want to.

Re: Regulation

The I ching says....
>man is not happy working without regulation. If he has no restrictions nor limitations, he will create them!!

How true....I just like it when "he" is "me".. :D

joepole 10-31-2007 10:30 PM

I think you're confusing capitalism with free enterprise.

>Not really surprising from someone that campaigns for the right to beat off in public bathrooms. I had you pegged for a smoker though.

Smoking, like jerking off, is gross when other people do it. I would rather not have it near me, but it shouldn't be illegal.

rhertz 10-31-2007 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 23903)
I think you're confusing capitalism with free enterprise.

Thanks for the clarification. I only made a "C" in Free Enterprise class at CSHS. :D

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 23903)
Smoking, like jerking off, is gross when other people do it. I would rather not have it near me, but it shouldn't be illegal.

LOL, that makes more sense than I'd like to admit. I guess this is why I read this forum...

Morpheus 11-01-2007 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rhertz (Post 23898)
In my opinion, capitalism is the cornerstone of society. Without it there would be no competition or choice. I think entrepeneurs should be able to develop and establish smokers-only restaurants, no-smoking restaurants, and everything in between. Nobody has to patronize any particular establishment if they don't want to.

Re: Regulation

The I ching says....
>man is not happy working without regulation. If he has no restrictions nor limitations, he will create them!!

How true....I just like it when "he" is "me".. :D

There are societies without capitalism. All societies, however, have rules. They're not necessarily for you or me. I feel fairly certain that even without a rule, you wouldn't come to my house and hurt me or my family, or take our things. Unfortunately, not everyone is like you. Even worse, some would do it in spite of the rules. I recognize I have to sacrifice some personal liberty. I know it gets to be a gray area in terms of how far reaching the regulations should be.

However, I do feel that smoking is one of those things that can hurt you. Even if you are not the one smoking.

Pocahontas 11-01-2007 07:56 AM

It is so much more pleasant to go into restaurants, grocery stores and public buildings and NOT have to breathe in someone's obnoxious smoke! If someone really has to smoke they should take it outside. I don't care for parents who smoke inside their homes or cars with their kids being subjected to 2nd hand smoke either!:nono:

LateNight 11-01-2007 08:19 AM

Regulations, regulations. Like has been said before.. Yes we need "laws". No I can't legally rob you, however, I should be free to do what I want as long as I cause you no harm. A restaurant owner should be allowed to create whatever type of establishment they want.. they should be allowed to have a smoke free environment, or allow smoking if they want.

The government goes about randomly setting restrictions like this, making these choices for us.. that's not how this is supposed to work. Half the time it doesn't make much sense.. Alcohol is legal, but I can't walk down the street and buy a bag of marijuana from my neighbor if I want to without fear of getting busted.

They pass laws saying we have to wear motorcycle helmets, or can't smoke here or there, or can't buy beer on sundays. Sure smoking is bad for you, and riding without a helmet can be dangerous.. Drinking alcohol is bad for you and can be dangerous, however this IS legal ?

It's this feeling that the government owns' your ass from cradle to the grave.. taxed to heck and back like they own you.

The more we expect the government to restrict, regulate etc.. the BIGGER government gets. The bigger the government gets, the more freedoms you start to lose.

Isaac-Saxxon 11-01-2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight (Post 23926)
Regulations, regulations. Like has been said before.. Yes we need "laws". No I can't legally rob you, however, I should be free to do what I want as long as I cause you no harm. A restaurant owner should be allowed to create whatever type of establishment they want.. they should be allowed to have a smoke free environment, or allow smoking if they want.

The government goes about randomly setting restrictions like this, making these choices for us.. that's not how this is supposed to work. Half the time it doesn't make much sense.. Alcohol is legal, but I can't walk down the street and buy a bag of marijuana from my neighbor if I want to without fear of getting busted.

They pass laws saying we have to wear motorcycle helmets, or can't smoke here or there, or can't buy beer on Sundays. Sure smoking is bad for you, and riding without a helmet can be dangerous.. Drinking alcohol is bad for you and can be dangerous, however this IS legal ?

It's this feeling that the government owns' your ass from cradle to the grave.. taxed to heck and back like they own you.

The more we expect the government to restrict, regulate etc.. the BIGGER government gets. The bigger the government gets, the more freedoms you start to lose.

:goodpost2:
I am a business owner and the rules and taxes that are placed on me really make me mad. The government and unions are a ball and chain to business owners. I pay the bills and taxes so I call the shots on my property. I do not have smoking in my business but if someone wants to go outside I am ok with that but oh no some politician in Baton Rouge will not have that. If I am doing something the costumers do not like they will not come back. Free enterprise doing what it is suppose to do.

piemaker720 11-01-2007 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocahontas (Post 23919)
It is so much more pleasant to go into restaurants, grocery stores and public buildings and NOT have to breathe in someone's obnoxious smoke! If someone really has to smoke they should take it outside. I don't care for parents who smoke inside their homes or cars with their kids being subjected to 2nd hand smoke either!:nono:

Well Pokie I use to smoke but I have been quit now for 5 years. I did not quit for health reasons, I quit because I got tired of it and they started tasting bad. But I do think the now smoking ban is bad, if people want to smoke they should have that right. Who am I to tell someone else they can't? If I went to a place where someone was smoking it is my right whether I go in or not. If someone opened a smokers only restaurant someone would try to sue for discrimination and you know that. I really don't believe in telling someone else what they can do in their own house or car or with their kids unless they were physically abusing the child. And smoking in front of you kids is not abuse, sure maybe unhealthy, but not abuse. I find there is a problem now days with groups or churches running around trying to run other peoples lives, to me that is wrong.

AnimeSpirit 11-01-2007 09:18 AM

I'm with Pokie on this one. Smoke if you want, but choose your locations wisely so that we can all enjoy ourselves, not just the smokers. I'm not a smoker myself, never have been and not planning on becoming one. I don't know if it's necessary to pass laws around it, but people should be more courteous without the laws.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 23903)
I think you're confusing capitalism with free enterprise.

>Not really surprising from someone that campaigns for the right to beat off in public bathrooms. I had you pegged for a smoker though.

Smoking, like jerking off, is gross when other people do it. I would rather not have it near me, but it shouldn't be illegal.

Sure this makes sense. It makes sense to US. None of US would spank the monkey in public. But if you don't threaten to lock people up, there are plenty of people who would willingly whack it right in front of your children.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight (Post 23926)
Regulations, regulations. Like has been said before.. Yes we need "laws". No I can't legally rob you, however, I should be free to do what I want as long as I cause you no harm. A restaurant owner should be allowed to create whatever type of establishment they want.. they should be allowed to have a smoke free environment, or allow smoking if they want.

The government goes about randomly setting restrictions like this, making these choices for us.. that's not how this is supposed to work. Half the time it doesn't make much sense.. Alcohol is legal, but I can't walk down the street and buy a bag of marijuana from my neighbor if I want to without fear of getting busted.

They pass laws saying we have to wear motorcycle helmets, or can't smoke here or there, or can't buy beer on sundays. Sure smoking is bad for you, and riding without a helmet can be dangerous.. Drinking alcohol is bad for you and can be dangerous, however this IS legal ?

It's this feeling that the government owns' your ass from cradle to the grave.. taxed to heck and back like they own you.

The more we expect the government to restrict, regulate etc.. the BIGGER government gets. The bigger the government gets, the more freedoms you start to lose.


I agree with you on most points. I hate taxes! I'm tired of footing the bill for wasteful welfare. I hate political pork, and I agree bigger government is a problem. But if the government did nothing to protect it's citizens, what kind of goverment would it be? Smoking and helmet laws, and to some extent alcohol and driving laws are not only about saving your a$$, but also about saving your a$$ money. Do you know how many millions of $$$ are spent caring for smoking related illnesses? What about long term care of brain injured motorcycle riders? Do you think that the majority of these people have insurance? They don't.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720 (Post 23928)
Well Pokie I use to smoke but I have been quit now for 5 years. I did not quit for health reasons, I quit because I got tired of it and they started tasting bad. But I do think the now smoking ban is bad, if people want to smoke they should have that right. Who am I to tell someone else they can't? If I went to a place where someone was smoking it is my right whether I go in or not. If someone opened a smokers only restaurant someone would try to sue for discrimination and you know that. I really don't believe in telling someone else what they can do in their own house or car or with their kids unless they were physically abusing the child. And smoking in front of you kids is not abuse, sure maybe unhealthy, but not abuse. I find there is a problem now days with groups or churches running around trying to run other peoples lives, to me that is wrong.


Sorry Pie, but it's well documented in the medical literature that smoking kills people. Second hand or passive smoke has also been proven to kill people. So to me, smoking in a car with the windows up and children in the car is at worst attempted murder, and at best child abuse. Now you may not have done this, but I have personally seen it many times.

piemaker720 11-01-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus (Post 23937)
Sorry Pie, but it's well documented in the medical literature that smoking kills people. Second hand or passive smoke has also been proven to kill people. So to me, smoking in a car with the windows up and children in the car is at worst attempted murder, and at best child abuse. Now you may not have done this, but I have personally seen it many times.

I don't believe in smoking with the windows rolled up either, but you say smoking kills, I know people that never smoked that die with the same diseases as non-smokers. Not only that but drinking kills, they once said chocolate causes cancer, fried foods- not good, sugar- not good, and the list can go on.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720 (Post 23944)
I don't believe in smoking with the windows rolled up either, but you say smoking kills, I know people that never smoked that die with the same diseases as non-smokers. Not only that but drinking kills, they once said chocolate causes cancer, fried foods- not good, sugar- not good, and the list can go on.

Well you gotta die of something don't ya?

piemaker720 11-01-2007 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus (Post 23946)
Well you gotta die of something don't ya?

No one lives forever, you may as well enjoy it the best you can and the way you choose to.

AnimeSpirit 11-01-2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpheus (Post 23937)
Sorry Pie, but it's well documented in the medical literature that smoking kills people. Second hand or passive smoke has also been proven to kill people. So to me, smoking in a car with the windows up and children in the car is at worst attempted murder, and at best child abuse. Now you may not have done this, but I have personally seen it many times.

Sorry Pie, but I've been thinking over this debate after reading it and I agree with Morpheus. Exposing your children to cigarette smoke is right up there with exposing your child to alcohol. It is unhealthy and I would consider it abuse.

If you are contributing to the degradation of a child's health or well being (physical AND emotional), you are abusing that child. Smoking near a child does exactly that. It may not be as extreme as physically beating the child, but it is abuse, nonetheless.

Now, as I said before, I doubt we needs laws to govern this, but people should be this courteous (particularly to their own kids) without being told by the laws. If you want to toxify your body, that's your call and it is your right. However, it goes beyond your rights when you drag others into it against their will.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720 (Post 23950)
No one lives forever, you may as well enjoy it the best you can and the way you choose to.

Okay I can go with that, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or cost them anything extra.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit (Post 23951)
Now, as I said before, I doubt we needs laws to govern this, but people should be this courteous (particularly to their own kids) without being told by the laws.

I agree. If everyone did what they SHOULD do, we wouldn't need to have any laws. But that's not the world we live in, is it?

Pocahontas 11-01-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720 (Post 23928)
Well Pokie I use to smoke but I have been quit now for 5 years. I did not quit for health reasons, I quit because I got tired of it and they started tasting bad. But I do think the now smoking ban is bad, if people want to smoke they should have that right. Who am I to tell someone else they can't? If I went to a place where someone was smoking it is my right whether I go in or not. If someone opened a smokers only restaurant someone would try to sue for discrimination and you know that. I really don't believe in telling someone else what they can do in their own house or car or with their kids unless they were physically abusing the child. And smoking in front of you kids is not abuse, sure maybe unhealthy, but not abuse. I find there is a problem now days with groups or churches running around trying to run other peoples lives, to me that is wrong.

Notice I didn't say there should be laws against smoking with your kids in the house or car. I was stating how I disapprove of this practice. I so wish people would use good common sense and NOT expose their children unwillfully to this harmful habit! This to me is a form of abuse and just plain poor parenting!!

piemaker720 11-01-2007 08:03 PM

We talk about smoking and how bad it is that people do it for theiself and their kids. How many of us is guilty of giving these to ourself or our children? Should this also be considered abuse.? Obesity is a very big problem these days and how do our children become Obese?

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0..._all_costs.htm

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If you need a little motivation to stay away from these most unhealthy foods, consider that four of the 10 leading causes of death in the United States are related to diet (diabetes, heart disease, cancer and stroke). And if you're looking to improve yours, cutting back on these six foods is a great place to start.

Soda.

An average can of soda has 10 teaspoons of sugar, 150 calories, 30 to 55 mg of caffeine, artificial food colors and sulphites. Diet sodas have the even-more-unhealthy artificial sweeteners. A major part of the problem is that sodas have become a staple in many people's diets. A study in the journal Pediatrics found that 56 percent to 85 percent of children consume at least one soft drink a day, and 20 percent of adolescent males drink four or more sodas a day.

In fact, CSPI has recently petitioned the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) calling for cigarette-style warnings on soft drinks to warn people of their potential health risks (weight gain, diabetes, tooth decay and more).

Potato chips and French fries.

These popular snack foods contain acrylamide, a known carcinogen and neurotoxin that is formed when foods are baked or fried at high temperatures. "I estimate that acrylamide causes several thousand cancers per year in Americans," said Clark University research professor Dale Hattis.

When CSPI conducted tests on some popular brands of French fries and chips, they found that the acrylamide in a large order of fast food fries was at least 300 times the amount allowed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in a glass of water.

These foods also contain trans fats, the artery-clogging fat that's been linked to raising bad cholesterol (and lowering the good kind), and increasing the risk of heart disease, diabetes, stroke and cancer.

Doughnuts.

Tasty, yes. But break a doughnut down and you'll find nothing more than refined sugar and flour, artificial flavors and partially hydrogenated oil that's loaded with trans fats. They have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

"When it comes to health, the only thing good about them is the hole," said Carla Wolper, nutritionist at the New York Obesity Research Center.

Coffee Cake and Other Baked Goods.

This category actually includes all varieties of baked goods, including packaged cake and biscuit mixes. What makes these foods so bad is that they almost always contain high amounts of trans fats and a host of other unsavory additives including corn syrup, preservatives and artificial flavors and colors. In fact, commercial baked goods typically contain more trans fats than any other food because not only are they often made with hydrogenated oils, they're fried in them too.

Luncheon Meats/Hot Dogs.

Processed meats like these (and others including sausages, bacon, pepperoni and other processed meats) contain a carcinogenic precursor ingredient known as sodium nitrite (sodium nitrate is closely related).

"Sodium nitrite is a dangerous, cancer-causing ingredient that has no place in the human food supply

Canned Soup.

Here we're talking about the traditional, canned soups you find in your grocery store. This may come as a surprise, but most canned (and packaged) soups have high levels of trans fats, sodium and artificial preservatives like MSG. Just one cup of canned soup can have almost 1,000 milligrams of salt (and most people eat more than one cup), which is tons considering dietary guidelines recommend consuming no more than 2,400 milligrams for the entire day.

WHITE FLOUR
White flour forms a sticky substance in the intestines and cardiovascular vessels, causes constipation and deregulates the digestive system. For a proper burning process you have to stay away as much as you can from white flour.
Products that contain white flour are: white bread, pizza, buns, pancakes, crepes e.g.

Al Swearengen 11-01-2007 08:58 PM

I agree with LateNight, whoever owns the business should be the one who decides whether to allow smokin. The only time I've really felt inconvenienced by the smokin ban was on the odd occassion I was at a bar. Seems to me that smokin and drinkin go hand in hand. Both are legal vices, both are potentially deadly, and both have been consumed in waterin holes since time began! I resent the hell out of the government stickin it's big nose where it dont belong.

Morpheus 11-01-2007 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen (Post 23996)
I agree with LateNight, whoever owns the business should be the one who decides whether to allow smokin. The only time I've really felt inconvenienced by the smokin ban was on the odd occassion I was at a bar. Seems to me that smokin and drinkin go hand in hand. Both are legal vices, both are potentially deadly, and both have been consumed in waterin holes since time began! I resent the hell out of the government stickin it's big nose where it dont belong.

You can still smoke in dedicated bars Al (i.e. bars without restaurants).

vixweb 11-01-2007 09:21 PM

I have to agree with LN here, I think we are OVER legislated....Too many liberal judges legislating from the bench- The term "free country" means less and less all the time:rolleyes:

Morpheus 11-01-2007 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720 (Post 23991)
We talk about smoking and how bad it is that people do it for theiself and their kids. How many of us is guilty of giving these to ourself or our children? Should this also be considered abuse.? Obesity is a very big problem these days and how do our children become Obese?

Now you're getting the hang of it pie!

http://www.ronjones.org/Weblinks/childobesity.html

http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scri...sity_chil.html


piemaker720 11-02-2007 08:21 AM

Chinese restaurant food unhealthy, study says
Menus loaded with sodium, saturated fat and calories

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17718517/

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The typical Chinese restaurant menu is a sea of nutritional no-nos, a consumer group has found.

A plate of General Tso’s chicken, for example, is loaded with about 40 percent more sodium and more than half the calories an average adult needs for an entire day.

The battered, fried chicken dish with vegetables has 1,300 calories, 3,200 milligrams of sodium and 11 grams of saturated fat.
That’s before the rice (200 calories a cup). And after the egg rolls (200 calories and 400 milligrams of sodium).
In some ways, CSPI's Liebman said, Italian and Mexican restaurants are worse for your health, because their food is higher in saturated fat, which can increase the risk of heart disease.

While Chinese restaurant food is bad for your waistline and blood pressure — sodium contributes to hypertension — it does offer vegetable-rich dishes and the kind of fat that’s not bad for the heart.
Here is more, boy we are some abusing folks.:D:D:D

joepole 11-02-2007 09:05 AM

>You can still smoke in dedicated bars Al (i.e. bars without restaurants)

I thought that was the old Shreveport law, but that the new state law banned it even in bars unless there was video poker.

LateNight 11-02-2007 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 24038)
>You can still smoke in dedicated bars Al (i.e. bars without restaurants)

I thought that was the old Shreveport law, but that the new state law banned it even in bars unless there was video poker.

That sounds so stupid.. it's probably true.. so what's the dang difference between a bar, and a bar with video poker, that they would allow smoking ??

TGIF !

Morpheus 11-02-2007 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 24038)
>You can still smoke in dedicated bars Al (i.e. bars without restaurants)

I thought that was the old Shreveport law, but that the new state law banned it even in bars unless there was video poker.

The "Louisiana Smokefree Air Act," sponsored by Sen. Rob Marionneaux, D-Livonia, prohibits smoking in most business around Louisiana, leaving people to do as they'd like in their homes and cars (unless they're using their homes as day care facilities).

However, there are a few other major exceptions where smoking still is allowed: bars, casinos, horse racing tracks, off-track betting facilities, bingo halls, hotel rooms, tobacco stores, Mardi Gras ball facilities and assisted living and nursing home facilities where people have requested to be in smoking rooms. Also, customers can smoke on outdoor patios at restaurants, and prisoners can smoke in Louisiana's jails until 2009.

source: http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5873851%20

joepole 11-02-2007 12:55 PM

Yep, if you read the statute, it clearly says just "a bar" is exempt.

And it is illegal in LA to smoke with a kid under 13 in the car, regardless of the windows being up or down.

Morpheus 11-02-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 24062)
it is illegal in LA to smoke with a kid under 13 in the car, regardless of the windows being up or down.

Didn't know this either. I learn something new every day.

Isaac-Saxxon 11-02-2007 04:18 PM

I sure would not take my kids in a room or car full of smoke. This law does protect the kids and the parents should know better anyway.

buzzyboy 11-02-2007 06:39 PM

I would smoke if it were not a health issue.
 
Like a lot of folks my age, back in the 70's, I smoked socially. I really didn't inhale that much, but there was a certain convivialness to bars and night clubs in those days.

Smoking was part of a 'friendly socialness' to have along with you drink.

I always liked the aroma of the first puff of a cigarette that was lit with lighter fluid (not propane). Very aromatic.

Still we're better off without it.

:rolleyes:

Isaac-Saxxon 11-02-2007 07:35 PM

Always like the smell of my uncles pipe burning. He had many different flavors to pick from.

Texasbelle 11-03-2007 12:26 PM

You can't smoke on the campus of Highland Hospital. It's funny to watch employees hike to this field behind it just to smoke. You know, I'd consider giving up such a nasty habit if it were so darned hard to do and knowing it will kill me. Obviously it prevents these folks brain cells from working properly.


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