War On The Middle Class
I've been trying to decide if this "site" is more democrat or more republican. To be honest I expected it to be all very far 'right', But that's not what I've seen.
I don't follow the news much, for I don't think anyone is covering the news all that well, what with everyone's own agenda. Don't take this as an outright endorsement for CNN OR Lou Dobbs.. But I read a Lou Dobbs editorial the other day and I thought it was quite interesting. He has a special report coming out October 18 about the "War On The Middle Class" Quote:
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Rough Rider http://www.shreveport.com/forums/cus...vatar129_1.gif |
Always left or right
When a society can vote itself entitlements and the people can vote a tax
on the business to pay for those entitlements the country hurts and small business and working people pay the large part of the tax that feeds the system and the dead beats that are on the public dole. Flat tax and no work no pay not including the handicap or impaired. I am for a third party with some teeth in it but every election Dems and Rep both try to look like that moderate candidate at least for the election time. Nov will sure set the tone for the next two years. God Bless the USA |
Whats wrong with the estate tax giving up the ghost? Sounds good to me.
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If by chance this site turns out to lean "left" or "right" then it is solely a reflection of society, "the good, the bad, and the ugly" as it were. In other works, this site is what all of you make it to be. All we can do is to provide the framework and free bandwidth and simply hope that it "catches on" and advertistors choose to support it. If you like what you see, please help spread the word....pass it on. |
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Who is Geo ?
I think I saw him at the bus stop ? I think he is a swing voter and he may
have voted for Ross Perot :-) and the band is still playing in the room at top of the stairs ! |
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But seriously, I did want all SBLive members to know that this site is built and owned by local programmers, and we have no political affiliates, affiliations, or agendas whatsoever other than to support the local community. One more thing, Schumpert and Hal Sutton Foundation are simply advertistors (bless their heart) and otherwise have no affiliation with SBLive! Anyone can advertise or sponsor any available group on this site. If you know any local businesses who may be interested, please "spread the word....pass it on". (line from my favorite Discovery channel commercial) |
Well thank ya there Kansast and Geodood. I've enjoyed the site thus far, hoping to see the site grow, and get some more opinions on here.
I'll do my best to "pass it on". Rough Rider http://www.shreveport.com/forums/cus...vatar129_1.gif |
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We keep plugging away at it, adding new features like "joinable groups" and "weather portal". We are not stagnant and out of excitement we probably launched the site a little early. But that's ok. It is hard to have a "content aggregation" site without any content! ;) We had to start somewhere! Thank you once again for your contributions RR. With members like you on board, I really do believe we will make it. :) |
Thanks Geodood
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this and after six weeks I think I like it. I too will pass it on and maybe we can add more voices to the site. You members that have had so much input good or bad thanks for participating in my threads and I will be reading yours with comments too. Thanks SB Live |
The "war on the middle class" thread turns into the "Welcome to SBLive! Thread :-) how 'bout them apples ?
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Flat tax
This will help the Middle class fight back now. Every man that can work should work and pay his or her taxes. The handicap and elderly are the
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Back to the war on the middle class.. I'm sick to death of the current political climate.. Democrats and Republicans .. they like to bring up these wedge issues.. Gun Control, Abortion to name a couple.. these things that DIVIDE us.. and things we (the american public) will NEVER agree on. Let's work together on things that affect us all. Affordable health care, securing our borders.. Improving our schools etc.. and let's stop sending ALL OUR DAMN jobs overseas.
It seems that I "may" have been accused of being an "isolationist" recently on these boards.. nothing could be further from the truth.. I fully understand that we live in a Global Market place these days.. But I don't see how allowing American Companies to send all their jobs overseas is supposed to help me, an avererage American citizen ???? o.k. done with my rant, sorry. Rough Rider http://www.shreveport.com/forums/cus...vatar129_1.gif |
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>I don't see how allowing American Companies to send all their jobs overseas is supposed to help me, an avererage American citizen ????
You don't see how allowing private citizens and businesses (which are owned b private citizens) to spend their money where and how they want helps all American citizens? And why would the interests of the "average American citizen" outweigh the interests of the below-average American citizen or the above-average American citizen? How about one rule that everybody has to follow? The government doesn't tell you where to buy what you want (goods and services) so why should it tell businesses owners where to buy what they want (materials and labor)? If you've ever bought a product manufactured overseas or shopped in a store that stocks them (which basically means if you've ever bought anything in your life) then you're just as "guilty" as a company that purchases labor from overseas. |
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True many jobs are going overseas but why? Corporations are sending them there, right? And who are corporations? Well most are owned not by Americans but by all sorts of nationalities. English, French, Germans, Indians, and others own shares of these stocks. Who owns IBM or Apple? The answer is “people” called investors all over the world in a global competitive economy. Now “our” investments compete with investments from other countries and vice versa. Everything is co-mingled which I think is a good thing. I think commerce promotes peace for one thing. And prosperity for another. Free markets and competition is good as long as the laws of supply and demand and capitalism are left to naturally maintain a free market balance. There are exceptions usually based on moral issues and sure, human or drug trafficking should be illegal, etc. But other than setting a moral and level playing field with basic laws, I believe that free markets should be left alone to adjust without a whole lot of intervention by politicians and lawyers (big government). If Free Enterprise is good on a national basis and made this country great, then why can’t it be good on a global basis now that the cat (protectionism) is already out of the bag. I think your feelings (and mine) come from the fact that we are *in transition*. Just like when the telephone company went from “regulation” to “competition”, there was a painful period of “de-regulation” which always sucks in my opinion. The result is a lot of jobs headed overseas to find our new worldwide balance in the marketplace. I just don’t get the warm and fuzzies that making new government laws to stop sending jobs overseas would be the right thing to do. Usually governments come up with ideas like taxes or tariffs that make the incentive a little less potent. These taxes may go away after the result is achieved, but this helps to buffer a sudden shift. Quote:
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o.k. so I understand your argument for free trade and the like.
when I think of all the manufacturing jobs 'that got sent overseas'. We told these people, train for the future, computers, technologies... was the wave of the future.. So they trained.. got good jobs. Now with computers and the 'wave of the future', companies are able to send all these new jobs overseas as well. Computer programmers, network engineers, auto manufacturers etc.. good paying jobs are overseas. almost 2 million jobs over the past 3 years have gone overseas. With no end in sight. Now some of these people are working 2 and 3 minimum wage jobs tryin' to make ends meet. These companies get tax 'breaks' by outsourcing.. via "unrepatriated earnings" Just trying to figure out as more and more of these types of jobs go overseas.. what's that leave the 'american worker' ? ? Except working at Walmart or something ? I understand your desire to the let the market work itself out. Just seems sometimes at the other side of that working out.. we end up with fewer jobs here. How's that help us ? And regarding joepole's comments.. as far as what items I purchase that may or may not be overseas.. I appreciate that.. I have tried.. Always purchased "American" automobiles.. of course now more and more of those are made overseas.. I can think of a few Amercian services I've had.. of couse now when I call for support of some kind, I can't understand the tech on the other side because of the broken English.. Sure maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.. but the whole thing just gives me a bad feeling. Rough Rider http://www.shreveport.com/forums/cus...vatar129_1.gif |
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Fast Food
McD's and BK are like the opposite of offshoring: they're using systems designed to maximize output from local, unskilled workers. And they do a damn good job. Their food sucks, but most people don't care about what they eat, just as long as it's fast, cheap, and what they were expecting.
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thanks for the info all.. Feel like I have a bit of a better understanding of outsourcing anyway. In the end however, it seems to sum up this way... Outsourcing only blows if say for example.. I'M the one who loses my job ?
I just get this bad feeling when I hear something like IBM is laying off some 50,000 people here in the states and they are hiring some 30,000 people in India. I read an article the other day, where Apple Computer was doing away with their Call center here in the states, and was transferring it to I think India.. but in the end, they changed their mind. Now I know plenty of their hardware is made overseas. I just hate calling some place for help, cause I have a REAL HARD TIME understanding broken english. TGIF ! |
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I do agree their food sucks and I often feel funny searching for something good to eat while I drown in a sea of fast food strip malls. I guess my current favorite is a Ciabatta bread sandwich from Wendy's. I can hardly stomach a burger from most places anymore. |
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On a lighter note, let's just DROP the big one :eek: It'll be fun.
Check out Randy Newman's "let's drop the big one" It's got some English guy talkin' for a few seconds... But I like the song that follows. This site sure seems to slow down on the weekends don't it ? Rough Rider. |
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Early to bed.............
While you lay sleeping you miss the best part of the day. Good Morning !!!
I have the same hours six days a week and can not sleep in on Sunday even when I stay out late. Ya know I think it is part of the middle class thing. Morning Glory's only bloom in the morning. I do so love the sun rise and the rebirth of another day while the sun set is very nice too it is time to take rest and reflect. Child of the day. I think its good that we are all so different my wife is a child of the night so we both have our quiet time. |
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top of the mornin' back at ya. LateNight |
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