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sbl_admin 12-05-2007 10:03 PM

Shooter kills 8 people before taking own life in shooting spree at mall
 
A 19-year-old with a rifle opened fire at a busy Omaha shopping mall Wednesday, killing eight people before taking his own life

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Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 07:08 AM

To bad the evil bastard did not do it the other way around. What is wrong with our young people today ??? :rolleyes: Yep people done gone and put their Bible away.

Al Swearengen 12-06-2007 07:52 AM

Yeah...he got famous. Famous for bein a murderin sack o' schit. He's brought great and everlastin shame and dishonor to his family. May his name never be spoken, and may he burn in hell for all eternity. Amen.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen (Post 26091)
Yeah...he got famous. Famous for bein a murderin sack o' schit. He's brought great and everlastin shame and dishonor to his family. May his name never be spoken, and may he burn in hell for all eternity. Amen.

Amen Brother Al ! The media helps promote copy cat crimes like this.

LateNight 12-06-2007 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen (Post 26091)
Yeah...he got famous. Famous for bein a murderin sack o' schit. He's brought great and everlastin shame and dishonor to his family. May his name never be spoken, and may he burn in hell for all eternity. Amen.

that makes way too much sense..

just read this..

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Mall shooter's suicide note: Now I'll be famous

A 19-year-old gunman who police said killed eight people and then himself at a Nebraska mall left a suicide note predicting the shootings would make him famous, his landlady said.
I understand having to report the news, etc etc.. but why couldn't they just say "Some idiot shot some folks at the mall then killed himself.. sport's are up next. "

but instead they'll plaster his name and picture everywhere, tell us all about his pitiful life, what drove him to it. yadda yadda yadda.

the idiot left a note "Now I'll be famous" and here they go..

AnimeSpirit 12-06-2007 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight (Post 26094)
I understand having to report the news, etc etc.. but why couldn't they just say "Some idiot shot some folks at the mall then killed himself.. sport's are up next. "

but instead they'll plaster his name and picture everywhere, tell us all about his pitiful life, what drove him to it. yadda yadda yadda.

the idiot left a note "Now I'll be famous" and here they go..

Oh well, his fame won't last. He'll be forgotten soon enough.

joepole 12-06-2007 09:15 AM

>Yep people done gone and put their Bible away.

Religion cures crazy? There's some crispy corpses in Waco that might disagree.

AnimeSpirit 12-06-2007 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26098)
Religion cures crazy? There's some crispy corpses in Waco that might disagree.

Not to mention in Jonestown, Guyana.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit (Post 26100)
Not to mention in Jonestown, Guyana.

I am sure there are some that got burned at the stake too :rolleyes: Good to see you two sitting on the same fragile limb :laugh:

joepole 12-06-2007 11:08 AM

"There are plenty of religious nuts" is a "fragile limb?" Seems like more of an indisputable fact to me.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26109)
"There are plenty of religious nuts" is a "fragile limb?" Seems like more of an indisputable fact to me.

There are just as many agnostic fools sitting on their own rotten limb. Seems like more of an indisputable fact to me :laugh: JP still love ya man but book smarts will only take you so far. Ignorance is bliss ;) when it comes to things of much deeper value.

joepole 12-06-2007 11:58 AM

>There are just as many agnostic fools sitting on their own rotten limb.

Just as many as what? Crazy people that are religious, too?

Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26118)
>There are just as many agnostic fools sitting on their own rotten limb.

Just as many as what? Crazy people that are religious, too?

Yes ! Churches are full of them :laugh: and the limbs are are just as full of agnostic fools :mad!:

rhertz 12-06-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26098)
Religion cures crazy? There's some crispy corpses in Waco that might disagree.

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Originally Posted by Anime
Not to mention in Jonestown, Guyana.

Who thinks that either Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians were good Christians? Only then could you call these people "Religious" instead of "egomanical", "neurotic", or whatever word fits. There are many who have a lot to say about religion who are not truely religious themselves.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-06-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz (Post 26125)
Who thinks that either Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians were good Christians? Only then could you call these people "Religious" instead of "egomanical", "neurotic", or whatever word fits. There are many who have a lot to say about religion who are not truely religious themselves.

Being religious is a man made way of thinking with emotions. I agree with your post rhertz and the crispy critters tell no lies now do they ;)

Princess Leia 12-06-2007 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz (Post 26125)
Who thinks that either Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians were good Christians? Only then could you call these people "Religious" instead of "egomanical", "neurotic", or whatever word fits. There are many who have a lot to say about religion who are not truely religious themselves.

The above two mentioned were false prophets, claiming to be the Son of God. They were not Christians, they just knew how to take the Bible and twist it to make it what they wanted it to be. A common problem in the world today.

I don't know what was going on with the guy in Nebraska, but obviously something wasn't clicking. But just because he did a horrible thing, I am deeply saddened for his family as well as the other victims. We should remember that they just lost their child. Not only that, but knowing he killed so many innocent people. I hope and pray that I will never feel so bad and depressed that I think my life isn't valuable.

joepole 12-06-2007 01:28 PM

>Who thinks that either Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians were good Christians?

Probably about as many people that think the killers that "need Bibles" were good atheists.

>they just knew how to take the Bible and twist it to make it what they wanted it to be.

And your solution is more Bibles?

Christianity doesn't have the copyright on "don't kill other people." Pretty much every moral, ethical, and legal system on the planet has that rule. Anybody who is considered "a good ___________" doesn't shoot up the mall.

AnimeSpirit 12-06-2007 01:35 PM

True, Jones and Koresh were false prophets by every means. The point that Joe was making is that religion does not cure insanity. In fact, some people use religion to support their madness. His supporting fact for this statement was that there are crazies in church just as there are out. It's a reasonable statement.

Anywho, this guy was cracked. I can't figure out why he had to take several random people with him. What's the purpose? No one ever remembers scum like him for very long, so surely fame wasn't his only motivation. Not unless he was crazy and stupid.

joepole 12-06-2007 01:38 PM

Are we sure those people are random? If I was on my out I can think of a few people that I could do the world a favor by taking with me.

AnimeSpirit 12-06-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26134)
Are we sure those people are random? If I was on my out I can think of a few people that I could do the world a favor by taking with me.

True, but what are your chances of seeing your entire hitlist at the mall at the same time? Chances are much more likely the people were random.

Pocahontas 12-06-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit (Post 26133)
True, Jones and Koresh were false prophets by every means. The point that Joe was making is that religion does not cure insanity. In fact, some people use religion to support their madness. His supporting fact for this statement was that there are crazies in church just as there are out. It's a reasonable statement.

Anywho, this guy was cracked. I can't figure out why he had to take several random people with him. What's the purpose? No one ever remembers scum like him for very long, so surely fame wasn't his only motivation. Not unless he was crazy and stupid.

It's the "fame" part that made this fool take out all the innocents. Even if he's only getting his 15 minutes, that is apparently what he was after. If he'd of just killed himself it would have just been an obituary in his hometown paper.

rhertz 12-06-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocahontas (Post 26142)
It's the "fame" part that made this fool take out all the innocents. Even if he's only getting his 15 minutes, that is apparently what he was after. If he'd of just killed himself it would have just been an obituary in his hometown paper.

So I wonder if the media refused to cover this sort of story, after a few years, would killers no longer have the "fame" incentive to do something like this?

In other words, does the media play any part in this sort of killing by giving wouldbe mass murders "fame" by putting them in the bright centerstage spotlight?

joepole 12-06-2007 04:27 PM

>True, but what are your chances of seeing your entire hitlist at the mall at the same time?

1/7

vixweb 12-06-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole (Post 26157)
>True, but what are your chances of seeing your entire hitlist at the mall at the same time?

1/7

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Too bad I wasn't there with my .40 cal - I would have "stopped" him.;)

LateNight 12-07-2007 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vixweb (Post 26166)
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Too bad I wasn't there with my .40 cal - I would have "stopped" him.;)

AMEN vixweb.. just once I'd like to hear that story, crazed person in a mall or some ****, decided he's gonna let loose.. and someone standing by at the ready, takes him OUT right quick, end of story.

this idiot.. in his note he says "i don't want to be a burden anymore" or something to that effect.. jesus.. then walk out back and take yourself out, leave everyone else alone.. ughh..
It's been a long week.. and I'm venting..

TGIF.

sbl_admin 12-07-2007 09:55 PM

Updated News Story
 
A new story has been added to the "Read More" section of this topic, as follows

FOX NEWS -- Dec 7 2007 9:55 PM
Mall Gunman Suicide Note: 'I Just Snapped'

j.nc 12-07-2007 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LateNight (Post 26207)
AMEN vixweb.. just once I'd like to hear that story, crazed person in a mall or some ****, decided he's gonna let loose.. and someone standing by at the ready, takes him OUT right quick, end of story.


with some folks luck it would turn out someone was shooting a movie or was a teen prank. I've been shot at a bunch of times - only once though real bullets in a real situation*. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference based on sound.

In a situational sense though you'd think shooting - for example at a school or mall - is out of place and assume it was the 'real thing' but could you ever be 100% sure (aside from seeing someone you know go down or real direct evidence). Would I trust someone running by me saying there's a shooting going on? Enough to get out of there - yes. To go shoot someone else? Probably no - just based on that.

*warning shot fired into the air but I didn't know it at the time.

vixweb 12-08-2007 03:23 AM

I think I would have a pretty easy time determining if it was real or not. Certainly, I would be sure before pulling the trigger. In this case, the weapon used was an AK-47(I believe) which is undoubtably real when heard- BIG boom & loud- Any responsable gun owner would'nt even draw their weapon unless confident of the situation. I've only had to pull mine a couple of times,( I have a crazy job) but I can tell you things can go from bad to worse real fast, so you better be fully aware of your surroundings, clear headed, and in control. As soon as that gun comes out, everything changes! :peace:

sbl_admin 12-20-2007 10:01 AM

Updated News Story
 
A new story has been added to the "Read More" section of this topic, as follows

KSLA -- Dec 20 2007 10:01 AM
Department Store Reopens Following Attack

joepole 12-20-2007 10:34 AM

>with some folks luck it would turn out someone was shooting a movie or was a teen prank.

I read a story the other day about that very thing happening. I think it was in Africa, though.

sbl_admin 12-27-2007 10:30 AM

Updated News Story
 
A new story has been added to the "Read More" section of this topic, as follows

FOX NEWS -- Dec 27 2007 10:30 AM
Mall Gunman Admitted He was Satanic, Attempted Suicide

sbl_admin 12-27-2007 10:55 AM

Updated News Story
 
A new story has been added to the "Read More" section of this topic, as follows

CNN -- Dec 27 2007 10:55 AM
Omaha gunman attempted suicide 2 years before

rhertz 12-27-2007 12:32 PM

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He told the social worker, Angela Pick, that he wanted to die when he swallowed about 30 Tylenol pills in January 2006
Too bad he didn't get his hands on something stronger, a suicide would have saved 8 lives in this case, seeing how the social services bureaucracy and all that tax money couldn't save the day. The good news is that the war on drugs seems to be doing its job in this case......

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He told social workers he started using marijuana at age 13 and typically smoked twice a week. By age 17, he said, he smoked marijuana almost daily and had snorted cocaine four to five times.
By this measure, a good percentage of people living in Shreveport in the 70's and 80's should be satanic murderers by now...... :rolleyes:


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