>I also couldn't find one to support yours.

Other than the one I posted, you mean?

well, I get a feeling that website just isn't up to date as far as louisiana is concerned.

Here is the URL to the act, SIGNED by the Governor
HB89 - 2006 Regular Session (Act 141)

attached is a PDF of that document.

This is the bill that the "Anti-gun" folks are calling "Shoot first"

and my take on the bill, is if someone breaks into my house... I'm not gonna wait to SEE if they have a gun or knife or whatever.

I agree with you Latenight. You break into my house uninvited then you better be prepared to take the consequences.

You mean the one where the drunk kid continued advancing on the man after being ordered to freeze at gunpoint?

If you point a gun at someone, tell them to freeze and they continue advancing towards you, then you have reason to fear for your safety.

It will not be a gun to fear but that wolfhound that will eat your ass :eek:

Yes of course Rosie would be the first thing you must try and get past but should they succeed then of course we'll introduce them to our two friends, Smith and Wesson!:D

P.S. The little ankle biters, especially the female, don't like strangers in the house either. She can be quite vicious when approached!!!!!!!!!!

Little one barks and warns the big one which will do the rest.........

You're catching on...it's a carefully planned alarm system with a carefully planned enemy attack plan.:D

My dogs would lick them to death.

I've got 2 that would lick them and 2 that would bark then tuck their tails and run and hide! Guess I need to look into getting a kuvasz!!:)

Let's see.. where was that dog thread.... Ohhh, here it is:

Are your pets like your children

:D

Don't mind me, that's the cold medicine talking... :)

I going to tell on you :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LN, what EXACTLY are you trying to say?????????????????????????

:shoethrow: There, that ought to help unclog your nappy head!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well, I thought that was better than posting something like :offtopic:

:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :goodpost2: :offtopic: :sorry:

>If you point a gun at someone, tell them to freeze and they continue advancing towards you, then you have reason to fear for your safety.

According to LA law if someone is unlawfully in your home or attempting to unlawfully enter your home you are automatically assumed to hold a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent unlawful entry or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises, period. Whether they are advancing or not. Whether they are armed or not. Even if they are a 105 year old woman and you are a Navy SEAL. The only exception is if you're running a crack den or meth lab.

How has this gone on this long without you actually reading the law you're talking about?

IANAL, but I used to hear stories where if a burglar enters your home through a window and you shoot him as he is crawling in, then you should pull the dead body into the room rather than let it fall back outside. I'm sure this is BS, but maybe in the past, trespassing inside your home is different than trespassing in your yard, so to speak. Maybe there is a shread of truth to this scenario even today. Not that I would avocate lying or tampering with evidence. But honest people get caught up in an imperfect system every day.

LA law says that anyone either unlawfully inside your home or attempting to unlawfully enter your home (or car of place of business) can be killed by someone lawfully inside the home, period. The law is unambiguous, Brain doesn't know what he's talking abut.

LOL...I couldnt have said it better myself! Brain cant seem to admit when he's wrong. Thats always been his problem...that, and he speaks on matters he knows NOTHIN about! Thanks Isaac, T-Belle, Neo, LateNight and Joe. I appreciate your efforts!

Ya havent proved jackschit! More guns DO equal less crime, which I JUST proved to you, but you're too goddamned stubborn to admit you're wrong, which doesnt speak all that highly of your intelligence. Ya just get off on being controversial/adversarial for the sake of it, and your history on this forum proves that beyond a doubt. Now, a good-faith effort has been made to educate ya on the facts, but if ya INSIST on remainin ignorant then we cant help ya. Ya called ME a "gun-toting zealot"? Ya jackass, its people like me that regularly make donations to the NRA (you sure as hell aint gonna do it), an organization dedicated SOLELY to protectin not just MY rights but YOURS as well. I dont mind ya bein stupid, but I DO mind ya tryin to infect the uninformed with your stupidity. So next time ya feel the urge to spout off about things ya know nothin about, PLEASE do us all a favor and shut your piehole.

Well said Al. :clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig:

I've read the law multiple times. I just don't make **** up like you do.

It says you don't have to retreat, not that you automatically assume your safety is in danger and nothing less than deadly force will resolve the situation.

Even in your example, the shooter gave warning and only fired because the victim continued advancing, and although the story made no indication, I'm sure this version of the story was supported by both the friend of the victim and the shooters wife.

Nope, all you've done is call the Department of Justice a bunch of liars who manipulate their own data.

Almost as stupid as Isaac's belief that support of the First Amendment makes one a Socialist.

Isaac knows a great deal more about what it means to be an American, a citizen of our Constitutional Republic, than ya ever will. I suggest ya extract your head from your ass and concentrate more on preservin (y)our freedoms and less on being a nuisance! Ya claim to be a friend and supporter of the Second Amendment? Not from where Im standin! Ya can start by admittin ya dont know schit about the law. THEN ya can contact the NRA and make a donation. Next time ya post, I'll be expectin to hear that you've done just that! Do otherwise and you'll be exposin yourself for the socialist anti-American gun-grabbin freedom-hater that I strongly suspect ya to be.

>It says you don't have to retreat, not that you automatically assume your safety is in danger and nothing less than deadly force will resolve the situation.

You should read it again, it says exactly that.

And to help Brain do just that.. here it is verbatim according to the LAW

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the
process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

Justifiable homicid. A homicide is justifiable:
When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder toleave the premises or motor vehicle.

Doesn't say a darn thing about checking with the intruder to see if they have a weapon.

END OF STORY.. He shoots, he scores :yes:


And for the second time in this thread. I have attached this document, that says just this.

The cops do it all the time if they feel threatened in ANY way :D

The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger. Such as when you tell someone to freeze at gunpoint, under your own carport, and they continue advancing upon you. No weapon, no threat, no advancement upon you or any member of your family, no REASONABLE BELIEF that deadly force is necessary in order to resolve the situation.

Get used to it or shoot one of your kids friends in the back and learn the hard way. No skin off my nose.

The police have considerably more "sway", if you will, with the law than average citizens.

Notice the can carry firearms into banks and speed all over town, I don't recommend you try the same.

Well I HAVE seen what passes for intelligence over here.

So if you two want to believe supporting the Constitution makes one a Socialist, all I can say is that I had no idea that you were retarded....I just thought you were stupid.
Or I can continue telling you none of your freedoms are in danger, Mr. McVeigh, or is it Mr. Koresch?
Or I can continue telling retarded people like you that the NRA is a special interest group, not a government entity. Maybe if you stopped listening to then you could move up from retarded status....but most retarded people lack the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and you're no exception.
Or I can reiterate that no one is after your guns, that your second amendment rights are not in danger, and you're just a gun-toting coward spreading lies and propaganda. When you stop, I'll stop posting the truth as the Department of Justice sees it, not an 800 year old fool like Heston, and a retarded zealot like you.

Al, LateNite, Isaac and the rest you have proven your case and proven it well. There are also many cases out there to prove that anyone would not go to jail for shooting someone using force to break into their home (armed or unarmed). You do have to face the fact though that Brain would rather DIE than admit he is wrong and one of you is right.

You've "seen what passes for intelligence here" huh? Well YOU'RE HERE, and thats the ONLY reason why the collective intelligence on this forum would ever be in question. Besides, thats only the twentieth time you've used that same phrase...repeatin yourself like the goddamned rainman, ya got no room to be callin ANYONE stupid or retarded. And if ya think our freedoms arent in danger or that nobody's after our guns you're blind AND stupid. If your head aint up your own ass, its up Rosie's. Name one lie I posted, or one sentence of propoganda. YOU CANT! All ya can do is sit there behind your keyboard and shoot off your fat mouth about things ya dont know jackschit about, which is just about everythin except yankin your lil weenie to pictures of Rosie. And who the phuk are ya callin a coward? I hear you're billybadass when it comes to slappin women around? Why dontcha try that schit on me? I'll tell ya why, cuz you're just a big pussy that gets his rocks off hittin girls. Just to keep it legal so ya cant turn around and press assault charges after ya get your ass kicked, we can take it to the gym, put the gloves on and have at it! What do ya say, internet toughguy?

For the LOVE OF (insert deity of your choice where applicable).

That is NOT EVEN what I said. If your going to QUOTE what I said, try reading it FIRST.

What I did say, and I'll try highlighting it again for you. It's justifiable to shoot someone....
against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business

There are to many kids and their friends coming through my house to be shooting at shadows. I do not do it in the woods and would not do it in my house. Now if I know Tyrone is doing a home invasion well does swiss cheese mean anything to ya ? I might have to get a lawyer but Tyrone will not need one I can guarantee that. If it comes down to me or him well he can kiss his ass goodbye :eek: Al I like your post but calm down I know I sure would not reach for your gun :nono: :nono: You know I hunt all the time and I keep side arms where they can be reached now that my kids are grown :clap:
I take the NRA any day :flag: :flag: :flag:

>The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger.

You do realize that the part you quoted is the middle of the sentence that is explaining that the mere presence of an unarmed individual in your home does constitute a reasonable belief that your safety is in danger, don't you?

Is English not your first language or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Of course, why would an idiot like you question the intelligence of people who believe in imaginary beings or make up their own definitions and laws as well?
Well obviously it grates on your nerves, but I guess even now you're still to stupid to figure out why I continue to use it.
No, I just don't think some retarded zealot like you deserves the right to carry a fully-automatic weapon down the street just because they exist....and what do you know, the government agrees with me.
How about your current right to bare arms being in danger? When did this bill to limit your second amendment rights pass both houses of congress and a presidential veto?

O that's right, you LIED in order to make your argument sound more convincing.
Pretty sure I just did.....
Well I could talk about banging your Mom last night, but I doubt you want all the gory details.
You, would you prefer the term gun toting vagina?
652-0695 Put your money where your mouth is tough guy.
Yeah, I'll be waiting on that phone call.

No, it says that YOU as the legal resident must have a REASONABLE BELIEF that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle.

I won't suggest that English isn't you first language, you don't appear smart enough to be an immigrant. I just hope you don't wind up in jail on murder charges with a guilty conscience for shooting you kids boy/girlfriend in the back while sneaking out the window.

Why would I quote your incorrect assumptions?

If you are going to debate the LAW, try reading IT first, Einstein.

Exactly my point. The mere presence of Tyrone in your house doesn't automatically mean "you or him".....hence the phrase "reasonable belief".

I've read it, I've quoted it.. NOWHERE does it say, he's got to be armed.
I didn't ASSUME anything, I quoted the LAW.

As it states.. all is required is illegal entry into a dwelling or an ATTEMPT to make an illegal entry.