Does my level of education bare any relevance to this topic or are you once again looking for a reason to discriminate?

How about trying to be a little less transparent occassionally?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Some people thrive off choas and enjoy secular endulgence. i am just happy there is someone out there greater than all of us. GOD!

It does bare relevance in most cases
 

If you don't know where I stand by now then maybe your education did not bring you to the point of subject and object and moral and unmoral :nono:
Isaac

Who said I didn't know where you stand?

[sarcasm]
I mean besides the voices in your head :rolleyes:
[/sarcasm]

My question/implication is you are (are you) searching for reasons to discriminate rather than debating the issues.

I am not searching for reasons to discriminate
 

The Ten Commandments did not discriminate. If you think taking God out of our courts, schools, pledge and other places is helping America then you are wrong and have a right to be wrong. I do not know your family back ground but the family is the core of this great nation and God is the Head of my family and 86% of Americans but the few cause pain for the many and you are on the side of the few.

Any idea how many of those 86% of Americans understand that religion is a private matter and understand it doesn't belong in schools or courtrooms?

Here's a hint, you're in the minority.

The minority, I mean, the meek shall inherit the earth.....can we create a new law to add another commandment

I'm pretty sure you can't change the commandments, but you can petition your congressional leaders and request they introduce bills to change laws you disagree with. You can even vote against them in hopes of electing leaders who better represent your ideas and opinions.

Yet another reason Democracy is better than religion.

Try telling the muslims that

Maybe you are unaware that recently elected congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN) is a Muslim?

AND that we are currently attempting to bring Democracy to the middle east.

Man, you sure do feel froggy this fine day. You must have ran over a conservative this morning on the way to work:p

BS, I see you have not changed. When are you going to grow up boy? You are dealing with people who have accomplished more than you have and you are going to tell them you are superior. Thanks for making my day. :laugh:
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TSX

Actually I am a conservative....and pretty militant about it at that. I just happen to have some liberal tendencies, like being pro-choice for instance.


Well it's pretty easy to please a fool.

Exactly, there are a few "hot topics" such as abortion and gun control. Where different sets of folks will NEVER agree on. The democrats and the republicans use these hot topics to very evenly divide this country. And in this day and age, where the people and the government have lost the ability to actually debate anything, and everyone resorts to name calling, and calling into evidence that which has not yet been determined as fact.

I believe that there are more than a few things that we can all agree on. Things we all agree are bad, things we all agree we can improve on. Instead of trying to do these things, everyone likes to throw out these 'hot topics' and the game continues, and we get nowhere.

Well as long as I'm called a Socialist because I think the law is more important than religion, based solely on the actions of Christians throughout history....expect me to respond.

As long as people defend the actions of criminals because they don't possess the ability to see the implications through their holier than thou glasses.....expect me to respond.

As long as I am accused of trying to take religion out of the equation when all I have done is point fingers at convicted criminals and defend the law....expect me to respond.


I understand the point you are making Rough Rider. My point is that I won't stand aside and let their lies and propaganda inadvertently influence someone because they were never told the truth.

Could it be because of what is said in the big 10 ?
 

Maybe people do not like the 10 Commandments because it walks on everybody's toes.
From adultery to thou shall not kill ? :rolleyes:
Isaac

It is amazing to me that the majority doesn't rule, it's those who have the biggest mouth. If the commandents are the basis of law and under god we trust is printed on money, Don't use them and see how far you get....

Judge Roy Moore is a patriot
 

In God We Trust is one and ever taken a good look at a calender ? We have B.C. and A.D. and this is a fact. The fine Judge did the right thing and should not be called a outlaw but one of Americas finest patriots !
Isaac

He's a common criminal and deserves to do time for being a habitual offender.

Of course, Christians understand equality about as well as nuclear science....

How the left can twist things to be a lie
 

The Established Church of England was to them repugnant less as an attempt to impose Christianity than as a symbol of royal power and its intrusion into every sphere of social life. Moreover the ‘no establishment’ clause was meant as a limitation on the powers of Congress, and not on the powers of the individual States. The Founders surely did not intend the clause to authorize Congress to intrude on the State of Massachusetts, for example, which at the time had an absolute ban against Roman Catholicism – a ban which the Federal Government made no effort to lift.
Yet that is not how the ‘no establishment’ clause is interpreted today. It is invoked as an absolute command against religion in the public arena throughout the Union, and as authority for the radical secularization of all social institutions that depend upon the state, or which exercise an authority that derives from the state. It has been regarded as a violation of the ‘no establishment’ clause that a court should display the Ten Commandments, or that public schools should begin the day with prayers. Such decisions do not convey a desire to protect religious freedom, but a desire to marginalize religion – indeed, to deprive religion of the place that it naturally demands in the public life of a Christian nation. Nobody was forcing children to take part in the public prayers at school, or forcing anyone to genuflect before the Ten Commandments in the courtroom. Yet there are currents of opinion in America which do not only take offence at school prayers and doctrinal icons, but which believe that it is part of the spirit of democratic freedom to forbid them. Religion, for such people, is not just a private affair: it is something to be privatised, to be confined within the home like some shameful habit that cannot be displayed in public. :nono:
It might reasonably be objected that religious freedom, so defined, is actually a forbidding of religion, since it removes the freedom to practice religion in the way that faith demands: in other words, the first part of the ‘no establishment’ clause, strictly interpreted, enters into conflict with the second. The principal demand that the Christian religion makes of its adherents is that they should bear witness to the faith in their life and work, and that they should invite others to join them in worship and prayer. If those things are forbidden, then it is difficult to see that American citizens really are free to be Christians. I think this point bears heavily on the situation of teachers in public schools, many of whom find themselves in the position of being the sole educative influence on children who are not going to obtain the good news of their salvation from any other source. :clap:
Isaac

Great post Isaac
 

America the Beautiful,
or so you used to be.
Land of the Pilgrims' pride;
I'm glad they'll never see.

Babies piled in dumpsters,
Abortion on demand,
Oh, sweet land of liberty;
your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly
poisoned by cocaine
choosing to indulge their lusts,
when God has said abstain

Judge Roy Moore :clap: :clap: :clap:

What idiots like you continually forget when you preach about the Founding Fathers and the establishment clause is that all of them were not Christian.

Thank the good Lord most of them were:D

Now that sounds like my old buddy Abby
 

I see you changed your post there Abby. Well once again your wrong but your hit and run post do not explain how you came up with that BS. Well I hope your on your way to the barber shop to get your mullet done :laugh:
Cold weather must have you in your basement today well there jackal have a great cloudy day and I will be looking for your post.
Isaac

LAF

I've give you the benefit of the doubt, since most retards can't comprehend their own stupidity.

Show me where Thomas Jefferson EVER claimed to be a christian.

Or Ben Franklin
or James Madison
or John Adams
or Thomas Paine
or George Washington

And I couldn't agree more.

Christians certainly are the scum floating on top of the rest of the sewage, but that doesn't change the fact as to why the establishment clause was included in the Constitution as Isaac the stupid would have you believe.

Now you certainly know how to make enemies don't you? Have you ever said anything nice to anybody? You are the kind of person that needs your mouth washed out with a brillo pad and soap and I'd like to volunteer to do it. Tell me this, if this country wasn't founded on Christian principles and beliefs by Christian men then why is it on worded so on many of our monuments and statues and in every state constitution?

Where did I say this country wasn't founded on christians principals, which in turn, are based on much older beliefs and morals. Surely you didn't think murder was acceptable before Moses and the commandments?

What I said was, all of the founding fathers were not christian. Do they teach you those spin and denial techniques in church or do you have to pick them up on your own?

No Abby you show me where they said they were not Christian
 

LOL :laugh: I do not give you the benefit of the doubt because I have see all your stupid attack post on this board. You know I speak the truth but you will not admit to the truth. You are messing with Texasbelle I think I will sit back and watch her tell you how it really is Abby. Take it away Tbelle and don't let his foul mouth scare you he is Abby Normal :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Isaac

Brain, how stupid are you? Very I think. You continously just get on here and attack people over and over. That is about all you can do. You do not even know how to begin to answer a question. We've all asked it and I asked it today. Show me where they are NOT Christians. It's proven over and over that this country was founded on Christian principles and you and I both know it. You seem to think it wasn't, so prove it. Open your mouth and prove it or shut up.

Apparently you did a little research and found out what the rest of America already knew about the founding fathers.

Good for you....

George Washington:
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society.” (Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792)

John Adams: Treaty of Tripoli ― Ratified by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams on 10 June, 1797.

* “[T]he Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion...”

"How has it happened that millions of myths, fables, legends and tales have been blended with Jewish and Christian fables and myths and have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed? Filled with the sordid and detestable purposes of superstition and fraud?” (Letters to F.A. Van Der Kamp 1809-1816)

Thomas Jefferson:
“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.”

James Madison:
“During almost fifteen centuries, the legal establishment of Christianity has been on trial. What have been the fruits of this trial? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; and in both, clergy and laity, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” (Speech to the General Assembly of Virginia, 1785)




Sure is tough to get an accurate description of our history when you're only source of information is the book of all lies for the weakest minds, huh?

I just couldn't resist showing the ignornance of your beliefs, Isaac the Stupid one.

Thomas Paine:

“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book.” (from The Age of Reason)

Abraham Lincoln:

“My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvationand the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.” (to Judge JS. Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln's death)

Ulysses S. Grant:
“Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.” (Address to the Army of the Tennessee, Des Moines, Iowa, September 25, 1875)

John Quincy Adams:
“There are in this country, as in all others, a certain proportion of restless and turbulent spirits - poor, unoccupied, ambitious - who must always have something to quarrel about with their neighbors. These people are the authors of religious revivals.”

"He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world."
B. Franklin

"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus."
Thomas Jefferson, Writings volxiii p 377

Bless all the churches, and blessed be God, who, in this our great trial, givith us the churches.
Abraham Lincoln replying to a Meth. delagation, 14 May,1864
(He is also known to have thought very highly of his mother who taught him from the Bible.)

:D I'll find some more fun ones, but I wanted to reply ASAP, and I have other responsibilities I need to tend to.

I see you learned how to google Abby
 

Very good Abby now show me where it says they where not Christians and you will see the truth. I do pity you so but one day you might wake up.
Good luck buddy. Oh I did spell check for you and you failed :laugh: :laugh:
Isaac

All evil comes from man, not Christ. Just because people call themselves Christians does not mean they truly represent Christ.

That's very good, not one praise of Jesus or claim that he is their savior while I posted comments clearly denouncing Christianity....but at least you used a source outside of the Bible. There may be hope for you yet.

Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes"; and

More Jefferson:

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

And this is not a direct quote (because I don't have my fingers on it at the moment) but Adams wrote to Jefferson sometime in the 18-teens, about ten years before their shared deathdate of July 4, 1826 that he frequently believed that the world would have been a far better place had there never been any religion.

Here's Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."; and

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.





but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions. I mean I'd hate to NOT be able to laugh at your overwhelming stupidity on a regular basis.

Well Abby being a member of a church does not make you a Christian
 

As we can see by you. So your quotes do not reflect the number of Christians and the how many of our founding fathers were in FACT Christians. Religion and church denominations are not the same. They in fact are created by men to control other men such as yourself. Many waves thru Ellis Island came from the UK and other countries so do a little home work and do not count on google so much buddy. Ever stop to look at that green cash and coins and what they say on them "In God We Trust" think that just happened there Abby ? Well if you don't believe it don't spend them Anti Christ. Your master will be here all to soon and I can see you are ready for you part in the deal.
Isaac

Brain, you still have not answered my questions directly. Of course, you never answer a question directly. Furthermore taking a piece of a statement, a book, or a speech and putting a spin on it is not answering the question either. I asked you to prove that these men were in fact not Christians, can you do this? Isaac is right. Look at the money you spend every day, what does it say?

IN GOD WE TRUST

Hmmm, wonder what made them decide to put that on there? Ohhh...maybe it's because the forefathers of our country were CHRISTIANS! They believed in God.