"In 2005, 25 percent of 16-20-year-old passenger vehicle drivers fatally injured in crashes had high BACs."

I can't find numbers for LA, but Colorado (a state with a similar population to LA) had 62 total automobile fatalities for 16-20 year olds in 2006. Assuming 25% are drunk that's about 16 fatalities due to teen drinking and driving. Not exactly an epidemic.

>I say, if you're old enough to vote, and more importantly, DIE for your country, then you're sure as hell old enough to drink!

I've heard that a lot, but it doesn't really make sense. What does drinking have to do with voting or serving in the military? Why not "if you're old enough to drive on public roadways you're sure as hell old enough to drink!" or "if you're old enough to attend public school you're sure as hell old enough to drink!"

On the flip side why is your statement valid but "if you're not old enough to collect social security you're sure as hell not old enough to drink!" isn't?

The validity of their statement is this, Joe. The government wants alcohol to be for adults only. The definition of what one would consider an adult is what is in question here. Just when is a person "adult enough" to have a drink? Some people believe that age is the same age in which a person can die for their country. If you believe that age is when you're old enough to drive, then I suppose that would be a valid opinion to some people as well.

As far as your statement about social security, the age at which someone collects social security does not, in any way, mark the beginning of adulthood, thus making it an inappropriate comparison.

>The government wants alcohol to be for adults only.

Nonsense. If that were the case the drinking age would be 18.

Right. That's why this topic is being discussed.

You stated is as fact.

I'd be willin to bet that there's a special place set aside for Joe in "debaters hell"... sittin right between "BrainSmasher" and Oliver North.

I think Joe has a very nice pen holder in his top pocket along with a Texas Instruments calculator on his belt :laugh::laugh::laugh: M.E. major Joe ?

This shirt doesn't even have a pocket because my wife bought it for me.

Well you could take this staement several ways. 1. Your wife brought your shirt because you undoubtly can't, won't or don't so it is left up to her to buy them. 2. You are saying your wife doesn't know how to shop for you but even though you don't like it you wear it anyway. 3. If you have been married a long time then she should surely you want pockets. 4. You are either telling off on you or your wife, which is it.:confused:

please don't forget my wife! :D

What's wrong your wife buys you shirts you don't like either?:confused:

LOL, and my wife too!

What is with you men, you can't buy your own clothes but you can bad mouth your wives for buying you something that is wrong or you don't like.:D:D

LOL, Rhertz was just sayin that his wife is one of the all-time champion arguers, and so is my wife! I'm convinced she just loves to argue for the sake of arguin!