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purpahurl 04-26-2007 10:11 PM

Why America is hated
 
In just over 200 years we have accomplished more than any nation in history. We feed the world, we protect any country that needs it, we are the first to give in a time of crisis, and what do we ask for in return? Nothing. Our men and women in the service do this voluntarily, hence no draft anymore. We are able to do this because we are free and we are nation founded UNDER GOD. Our forefathers sacrificed more than we will ever know to start this nation on a path of freedom and prosperity. Most of them were wealthy, yet they gambled everything they had for the cause. Why now do our current leaders, and I say that loosely, deem it necessary to apologize for everything we have done? We are the only country people are willing to risk their life to get into to better themselves, and yet we are what is wrong with the world according to some folks. England and Isreal and to some extent Austrailia are our only allies, but we are basically on our own. That's as it should be. In sports when your number 1 for awhile everyone wants to knock you off. Our leaders should not appologize for anything we do, but we should make them apologize for what they are doing.

Santabot 04-26-2007 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by purpahurl
In just over 200 years we have accomplished more than any nation in history. We feed the world, we protect any country that needs it, we are the first to give in a time of crisis, and what do we ask for in return? Nothing. Our men and women in the service do this voluntarily, hence no draft anymore. We are able to do this because we are free and we are nation founded UNDER GOD. Our forefathers sacrificed more than we will ever know to start this nation on a path of freedom and prosperity. Most of them were wealthy, yet they gambled everything they had for the cause. Why now do our current leaders, and I say that loosely, deem it necessary to apologize for everything we have done? We are the only country people are willing to risk their life to get into to better themselves, and yet we are what is wrong with the world according to some folks. England and Isreal and to some extent Austrailia are our only allies, but we are basically on our own. That's as it should be. In sports when your number 1 for awhile everyone wants to knock you off. Our leaders should not appologize for anything we do, but we should make them apologize for what they are doing.

Ah, let me start loosely by saying that I'm not an expert and won't go along citing every source of evidence for this, but I believe I can reason out against the majority of this post.

First off, doing everything for the world, and asking nothing in return. That is a laughable statement. There is no way you could ever remotely state with faith in your own words that there are no business or political motivations and exchanges in order to give assistance to other countries, all the while being extremely selective in who we give help to, much less the fact that it's not always ample service to those who need it.

Second, "we do not draft anymore because everybody volunteers", this is not always the case, there are numerous monetary and personal incentives that cause people to join the military, and many are persuaded into doing so because of their family history or time spent in military prep, not everybody signs up to serve for combat duty, and many are coerced into that area.

Third, "a nation founded UNDER GOD". This is entirely false. The founding fathers were unanimously atheistic in their personal and political matters, in constant reminder to the people and the politicians that there should and will be a wall to separate church and state. The national anthem, honoring God, was not written at the time of the foundation of the country, as one thing. The "One Nation Under God" / "In God We Trust" was not printed on money until the mid-20th century, by no means at the establishment of the country. It actually was originally "In Gold We Trust" but was edited by religious conservatives like the ones who dominate the political scene in America.

Also, the founding fathers almost all had slave-operated plantations, grew and smoked marijuana, using the hemp (required by law to be grown) for industrial purposes, didn't bathe, and wore funny wigs, none of which would be considered reasonable in today's time, but stating their percentage or a certain level of giving up their interests for the country are debatable, as many had long careers before and after politics.

"Why now do our current leaders, and I say that loosely, deem it necessary to apologize for everything we have done?" Main reason: political correctness, and protection from special interest groups. America has an issue, an issue with the ability to sue people, and almost anyone will do it nowadays to get "free money" pretty much where applicable. This is almost the entire reasoning behind this apologetic attitude our leaders take today, to try and uphold and not deny their statements, but apologize for their offensive nature; you can't be on both sides, but for some reason, people are satisfied with this two-faced dishonest action, and I agree: why do they do it, honestly?

England wasn't always are ally, remember that, nobody has, we've been too dynamic under different leadership over history to say that we're a necessarily positive or negatively viewed country overall.

refugen3 04-26-2007 10:28 PM

Hmmmm hurler
 
You sound an awful lot like Saxon the Lion man.....:think:

Do you two know each other? :D
Where is he anyway????

purpahurl 04-26-2007 10:39 PM

empoloyment
 
Santabot, you are going to be an intersting person to try to employ. I gather that you will feel you that your employers, that is if you have any, are idiots, and you know better than them how the job should be done.

Santabot 04-26-2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by purpahurl
Santabot, you are going to be an intersting person to try to employ. I gather that you will feel you that your employers, that is if you have any, are idiots, and you know better than them how the job should be done.

That's what engineers are for, aren't they?

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Santabot
Ah, let me start loosely by saying that I'm not an expert and won't go along citing every source of evidence for this, but I believe I can reason out against the majority of this post.

First off, doing everything for the world, and asking nothing in return. That is a laughable statement. There is no way you could ever remotely state with faith in your own words that there are no business or political motivations and exchanges in order to give assistance to other countries, all the while being extremely selective in who we give help to, much less the fact that it's not always ample service to those who need it.

Of course freeing Europe from the grip of the Hitler and the Nazi's came with a certain degree of political motivation. But it wasn't even remotely related to business or any type of "exchange". It was the desire to NOT see one of or greatest allies and "the Motherland" fall under Nazi rule.
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Second, "we do not draft anymore because everybody volunteers", this is not always the case, there are numerous monetary and personal incentives that cause people to join the military, and many are persuaded into doing so because of their family history or time spent in military prep, not everybody signs up to serve for combat duty, and many are coerced into that area.
People are coerced to join the military like they are coerced into attending college and no amount of Anti-American propaganda on your part will change that.

BTW, does ANY type of incentive change the fact that "we do not draft anymore because everybody volunteers? Of course it doesn't, and that's how you can tell a propaganda machine from a someone who's PROUD to be American
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Third, "a nation founded UNDER GOD". This is entirely false. The founding fathers were unanimously atheistic in their personal and political matters, in constant reminder to the people and the politicians that there should and will be a wall to separate church and state. The national anthem, honoring God, was not written at the time of the foundation of the country, as one thing. The "One Nation Under God" / "In God We Trust" was not printed on money until the mid-20th century, by no means at the establishment of the country. It actually was originally "In Gold We Trust" but was edited by religious conservatives like the ones who dominate the political scene in America.
Indeed, all of the founding father were not Christians but to say they were unanimously atheistic in their personal and political matters is a statement made out of PURE 17 year old IGNORANCE.
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Also, the founding fathers almost all had slave-operated plantations, grew and smoked marijuana, using the hemp (required by law to be grown) for industrial purposes, didn't bathe, and wore funny wigs, none of which would be considered reasonable in today's time, but stating their percentage or a certain level of giving up their interests for the country are debatable, as many had long careers before and after politics.
Growing hemp was state law, not federal.
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"Why now do our current leaders, and I say that loosely, deem it necessary to apologize for everything we have done?" Main reason: political correctness, and protection from special interest groups. America has an issue, an issue with the ability to sue people, and almost anyone will do it nowadays to get "free money" pretty much where applicable. This is almost the entire reasoning behind this apologetic attitude our leaders take today, to try and uphold and not deny their statements, but apologize for their offensive nature; you can't be on both sides, but for some reason, people are satisfied with this two-faced dishonest action, and I agree: why do they do it, honestly?
It's called the American way. We can do what needs to be done because of the number of Americans who agree with said action AND we can be apologetic because of the number of Americans who agree with that curse of action.

Yes, in American we often DO have our cake and eat it too.
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England wasn't always are ally, remember that, nobody has, we've been too dynamic under different leadership over history to say that we're a necessarily positive or negatively viewed country overall.
England HAS been our greatest ally for 200 years, and that's good enough for me.

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 06:26 AM

Why do people hate America, simple....jealousy

Why do people hate Paris Hilton? Because she's an uncaring party animal doing whatever she wants?

Or because she's that way AND she's been given more than any of us will ever have through no more visible effort than simply being born.

Well, if you eat snails and cheese for supper or are to stupid to move out of the desert, then of course you're going to be jealous of what we've got in the good ole US of A.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by purpahurl
In just over 200 years we have accomplished more than any nation in history. We feed the world, we protect any country that needs it, we are the first to give in a time of crisis, and what do we ask for in return? Nothing. Our men and women in the service do this voluntarily, hence no draft anymore. We are able to do this because we are free and we are nation founded UNDER GOD. Our forefathers sacrificed more than we will ever know to start this nation on a path of freedom and prosperity. Most of them were wealthy, yet they gambled everything they had for the cause. Why now do our current leaders, and I say that loosely, deem it necessary to apologize for everything we have done? We are the only country people are willing to risk their life to get into to better themselves, and yet we are what is wrong with the world according to some folks. England and Israel and to some extent Australia are our only allies, but we are basically on our own. That's as it should be. In sports when your number 1 for awhile everyone wants to knock you off. Our leaders should not apologize for anything we do, but we should make them apologize for what they are doing.

The reason England and Israel like us is because we are a Christian nation. The reason other countries do not like us is because we are a Christian nation :clap: Why do we protect Israel ? It was one of the 12 tribes and brothers may fight among each other but do not let someone from the outside try to fight the brothers they will loose every time. Ephraim and Manasseh are England and America. Ismael and Esau are the Arabs and Russians of today so go figure why they hate us ? It is written :clap:

Santabot 04-27-2007 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
The reason England and Israel like us is because we are a Christian nation. The reason other countries do not like us is because we are a Christian nation :clap: Why do we protect Israel ? It was one of the 12 tribes and brothers may fight among each other but do not let someone from the outside try to fight the brothers they will loose every time. Ephraim and Manasseh are England and America. Ismael and Esau are the Arabs and Russians of today so go figure why they hate us ? It is written :clap:

Oh you are so so wrong, but okay.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Santabot
Oh you are so so wrong, but okay.

You are so naive ! but that is ok ;) there is coming a time when we all shall know the truth and you might just look back and wonder just how you missed the truth and that is ok too. :clap:

Texasbelle 04-27-2007 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Santabot
Oh you are so so wrong, but okay.

Where is your proof that he is wrong? I would love to see it.

Pocahontas 04-27-2007 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
The reason England and Israel like us is because we are a Christian nation. The reason other countries do not like us is because we are a Christian nation :clap: Why do we protect Israel ? It was one of the 12 tribes and brothers may fight among each other but do not let someone from the outside try to fight the brothers they will loose every time. Ephraim and Manasseh are England and America. Ismael and Esau are the Arabs and Russians of today so go figure why they hate us ? It is written :clap:

Great posts Purpahurl and Isaac!! I totally agree with you guys!!:clap:

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocahontas
Great posts Purpahurl and Isaac!! I totally agree with you guys!!:clap:

Hey Pocahontas I like your post :clap: I am starting to like you :clap: I totally agree with you :clap:

Santabot 04-27-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Texasbelle
Where is your proof that he is wrong? I would love to see it.

Where is your proof or anyone else's that God exists or ever did?


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