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Isaac-Saxxon 02-12-2007 07:19 AM

Judge Roy Moore sued for 10 Commandments
 
The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama.
Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his
courtroom foyer. He has been stripped of his judgeship and now they are
trying to strip his right to practice law in Alabama. The judge's poem
sums
it up quite well.

America the Beautiful,
or so you used to be.
Land of the Pilgrims' pride;
I'm glad they'll never see.

Babies piled in dumpsters,
Abortion on demand,
Oh, sweet land of liberty;
your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly
poisoned by cocaine
choosing to indulge their lusts,
when God has said abstain

From sea to shining sea,
our Nation turns away
From the teaching of God's love
and a need to always pray.

We've kept God in our temples,
how callous we have grown.
When earth is but His footstool,
and Heaven is His throne.

We've voted in a government
that's rotting at the core,
Ap pointing Godless Judges;
who throw reason out the door,

Too soft to place a killer
in a well deserved tomb,
But brave enough to kill a baby
before he leaves the womb.

You think that God's not angry,
that our land's a moral slum?
How much longer will He wait
before His judgment comes?

How are we to face our God,
from Whom we cannot hide?
What then is left for us to do,
but stem this evil tide?

If we who are His children,
will humbly turn and pray;
Seek His holy face
and mend our evil way:

Then God will hear from Heaven;
and forgive us of our sins,
He'll heal our sickly land
and those who live within. (2nd Chronicles 7:14)

But, America the Beautiful,
if you don't - then you will see,
A sad but Holy God
withdraw His hand from Thee.

~~Judge Roy Moore~~

AnimeSpirit 02-12-2007 07:44 AM

Very nice poem. I think they are really going overboard in this issue. If someone didn't like seeing the 10 Commandments in the courtroom, all they had to do was ask him to remove them. A law suit and having his career stripped from him is WAY too harsh.

I always thought that in order for you to sue someone, that person would have to had wronged you in some way or is in debted to you. By displaying the 10 Commandments, who has he wronged?

LateNight 02-12-2007 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Very nice poem. I think they are really going overboard in this issue. If someone didn't like seeing the 10 Commandments in the courtroom, all they had to do was ask him to remove them. A law suit and having his career stripped from him is WAY too harsh.

I always thought that in order for you to sue someone, that person would have to had wronged you in some way or is in debted to you. By displaying the 10 Commandments, who has he wronged?

I think it did go to court, and he was told to remove it, and he refused.
But I agree.. what the heck. If you don't like it, don't look at it.

AnimeSpirit 02-12-2007 09:22 AM

Yeah, people have become so thin-skinned, nosey, and opinionated of late.

rhertz 02-13-2007 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Yeah, people have become so thin-skinned, nosey, and opinionated of late.

It goes way beyond "feelings". This issue is all about politics! Specifically "political correctness" to be exact. Wars are won by winning individual battles and setting precedents such as this. I admire Judge Roy for his faith in his principles.

BrainSmashR 02-13-2007 11:32 AM

If I remember correctly, it was because he had a monument erected outside of the courthouse with the 10 commandments....a direct violation of seperation of church and state.

He was taken to court, ordered to remove the monument, and refused.

So not only did he violate separation of church and state laws, he also refused to follow a direct court order....he intentionally threw his career away. While I don't think he should be sued over the issue, he's clearly unfit to judge others.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-13-2007 12:21 PM

He is one of the few fit to be a judge
 
Separation of Church and State has been taken out of context and reshaped so that it can be used by heathen to bring in socialism to our government. This man stood up for what this country is built on and is paying a price that will be well worth it come judgment day. We all have a chance to make our own bed and yes we will all have time to sleep in it. The attack on Christians is out of hand but not for long stay tuned as eternity is knocking at our door.
Isaac

It seems that BrainSmashR has the look of a Anime cartoon :D

BrainSmashR 02-13-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Separation of Church and State has been taken out of context and reshaped so that it can be used by heathen to bring in socialism to our government. This man stood up for what this country is built on and is paying a price that will be well worth it come judgment day. We all have a chance to make our own bed and yes we will all have time to sleep in it. The attack on Christians is out of hand but not for long stay tuned as eternity is knocking at our door.
Isaac

It seems that BrainSmashR has the look of a Anime cartoon :D

I hate to break it to you, but our country was NOT built upon the individual placing his own desires above the law. Roy Moore is a common criminal who willingly and with full knowledge of his actions, chose to break the law.

Bob 02-13-2007 04:12 PM

Yes, seldom is anything ever black or white.

First off, I agree, the whole thing about suing over a 10 commandment display of some kind is ridiculous.

On the other hand as BrainSmashr has pointed out, a ruling was handed down and a 'judge' of all people refused to follow the 'law'. That can't be a good thing :)

Welcome to the boards there BrainSmashr.

Al Swearengen 02-13-2007 06:17 PM

The laws of this predominantly Christian nation are indeed rooted in the Ten Commandments. It is no coincidence that many crimes are sins, and vice versa. People of non-Christian faiths are welcome here, just as non-english speaking people are welcome here...but the United States is above all else a Christian, english-speaking nation. Unfortunately, righteous folk must sometimes pay a heavy price for doing right. Judge Moore a criminal? Says who, the slack-jawed, whinyass, politically correct ACLU lawyers? Spare me! This man deserves better.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-13-2007 06:28 PM

Christian nation are indeed rooted in the Ten Commandments.
 
Thank you Al for you thoughts. I agree and think that one day that the nation as a whole will have to come back to terms with our beginnings. It will take something larger than 9/11 so maybe 08 will wake up Christians in America of all Christian faiths.
Isaac

rhertz 02-13-2007 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen
Spare me! This man deserves better.

Although I happen to agree with you Al, I wonder if Judge Moore should have obeyed the order from that other judge, removed the 10 commandments, then worked hard to change the law so he could put it back. It is only when there is no hope of changing the law that breaking the law is acceptable, like our forefathers did at the Boston Tea Party. So an important question for me is, did the good Judge Moore exhaust all hope in changing the law? I do not know the answer, but if anyone could change a law IMHO, it would be a judge! If he can't achieve results without breaking the law, then what chance do normal folk like you and I have?

BrainSmashR 02-13-2007 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen
Judge Moore a criminal? Says who, the slack-jawed, whinyass, politically correct ACLU lawyers? Spare me! This man deserves better.

The U.S. Constitution
U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson
and a 3 judge panel of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals

The issue here isn't the man's religious beliefs, it's his willingness to openly disobey the law and direct court orders.

Rough Rider 02-13-2007 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
The U.S. Constitution
U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson
and a 3 judge panel of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals

The issue here isn't the man's religious beliefs, it's his willingness to openly disobey the law and direct court orders.


As this thread on this board displays, people are going to make of this what they will.

I for one, can agree with everything Al said earlier.

However, there is the 'thing' about him "openly disobeying the law and direct court orders".

In a perfect world, I would go back in time and would of had this whole thing thrown out of court :) (the initial ruling to have him remove it). Then he would have never 'disobeyed' the law.

The things people find to take to court in the first place just boggles my mind sometimes.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-14-2007 04:57 AM

The issue here isn't the man's religious beliefs
 
That is so wrong. This country is founded on Christian principals and the Ten Commandments are the base root of the entire legal system. The people that want to tear that down are the same people that would have socialism take the place of our Republic. It will never happen but it will get close before the correction comes and when it does there will be a major house cleaning.
Isaac

BrainSmashR 02-14-2007 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
That is so wrong. This country is founded on Christian principals and the Ten Commandments are the base root of the entire legal system. The people that want to tear that down are the same people that would have socialism take the place of our Republic. It will never happen but it will get close before the correction comes and when it does there will be a major house cleaning.
Isaac

Since when does not wanting to be governed by zealots with no regard for the law equal opposing Democracy and Free Enterprise?

That's called propaganda, buddy, and precisely why more and more people are turning away from the church.

Rough Rider 02-14-2007 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Since when does not wanting to be governed by zealots with no regard for the law equal opposing Democracy and Free Enterprise?

LOL, since opposing the Iraq war meant you are unpatriotic and don't support the troops.

;)

AnimeSpirit 02-14-2007 09:33 AM

A violation of Separation between Church and State, eh? I think posting the 10 Commandments is about as illegal as saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Although my position isn't to favor Christians any more than any other faith, I think displaying such a thing in public shouldn't be illegal.

This happened not too long ago in Dallas. It was Christmas time. The Dallas Airport had a big lit up Cross in one of the terminals. An Atheist man walked by and considered himself offended by it. He went whining to the courts and had the airport to take it down. This man wasn't even from Dallas! He just there to board a connecting flight! This issue had nothing to do with separation between church and state, but it still happened.

Anywho, I really don't know if the Judge should've posted the Commandments or just leave his religion private. However, I think taking his career away is quite excessive.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-14-2007 01:45 PM

That's called propaganda, buddy,
 
It is a Republic buddy :nono: for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related :rolleyes:
Isaac

Isabella 02-14-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
It is a Republic buddy :nono: for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related :rolleyes:
Isaac

:clap: It is very related!

BrainSmashR 02-14-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rough Rider
LOL, since opposing the Iraq war meant you are unpatriotic and don't support the troops.

;)


I see, so you do base all of your opinions on completely unrelated issues or just when you feel like being laughed at?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Anywho, I really don't know if the Judge should've posted the Commandments or just leave his religion private. However, I think taking his career away is quite excessive.

So would you feel the same if Roy Moore was caught doing drugs or is that one of the laws you DO think should be enforced?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
It is a Republic buddy for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related
Isaac

Well all I can say is that we have separation of Church and State because of Christians, not in spite of them.

Personally, I don't care what faith anyone chooses to follow, as long as they can do it within the limits of the law...

Isaac-Saxxon 02-14-2007 04:27 PM

Not becauses of Christians but because of England
 
This is why the people came to America because the state run religion was giving them no room to disagree with the Bible. The attack on Christians is a socialist move and the media and legalist are using the ACLU and every other tool they can to bring down our country and there are many people who agree with this cancer. Law's of president are the cancer instead of the law itself. You can be a heathen all you want but history will repeat and the dregs of society will be purged in the end. Smash all you want which is a term for tearing down which is what socialism is. Ever thought of living in Russia :laugh: Maybe a few history books would open your eyes to the truth. This judge did what is right and he may pay a price now but the heathen will pay a eternal price. A brave man dies once but a coward dies a thousand deaths.
Isaac

BrainSmashR 02-14-2007 06:09 PM

That's right, the Pilgrims came to America to escape zealots like you....the exact same reason good people are leaving the church all together now.

Maybe it's YOU who needs to pick up a history book.....when you get back to Earth that is.

Al Swearengen 02-14-2007 06:26 PM

What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. If anything, in these troubling times I bet church attendence is at an alltime high. Anyway, I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!

BrainSmashR 02-14-2007 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen
What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!

I agree with what you have said who heartedly.

My point is that Isaac is claiming that those of us who choose the law over religion are, in essence, promoting Socialism. That's not only false, it's propaganda as well, and that type of propaganda is what's driving people away from the church.

Do I have data to prove that? Not handy, but if you believe it's false, then why make a statement like "how far we have fallen"?

Al Swearengen 02-14-2007 07:41 PM

I made the statement "how far we have fallen" because we have indeed fallen far, have we not? When a God fearing man is stripped of his livelihood because he would not compromise his faith or what he knows to be right and good...I'd say we've turned a corner, wouldnt you? We have reached a new high in low. You said people are "turning away from the church"! I believe that the people who are turning away from it are the same ones who were never a part of it in the first place. In times of trouble, such as these, I'd wager that church attendance rises exponentially. Even so, church attendance is by no means a measure of man's decadence. Churchs are chock full of hypocrites. Well, maybe "hypocrite" is a bit harsh, since we're only human, and fallible. Lets just say the church is full of sinners, and leave it at that.

As far as the observance of "law over religion" being an aim of socialism, Im inclined to agree with you that it is not...on the face of it. However, the Nazis were socialists, and they firmly believed that laws took precedence over religion, and look how they ended up! Men have a tendency to pervert or distort law, and who knows this better than a judge? If I ever find myself standing before an earthly judge, I'll count myself lucky if his decisions are above all else governed and guided by the laws given to us by the creator, rather than strict adherence to the laws of men.

LateNight 02-14-2007 11:07 PM

It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis :clap:

LOL

BrainSmashR 02-14-2007 11:07 PM

Hypocrite is not overly harsh, it is the exact term one should use to describe those people.

As for turning the corner, I agree that we have, but I don't see it as a failing, but rather as a growth. Once upon a time people prayed for cures, now we have medicine and science....just like once upon a time the Church made all of the laws and now we have Democracy and freedom of choice.

Rough Rider 02-14-2007 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LateNight
It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis :clap:

Speaking of Nazis.. :eek:
If say for example, this judge had put up some Nazi symbol/monument outside his courthouse, and he was told by higher courts to remove it, and he refused, and he lost his job, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As I've said before, I think the WHOLE thing is stupid, and this should have never been an issue in the first place. But it's the fact that a judge of all people should set an example and listen to the higher courts. Take away the 10 commandments out of this argument, and I think everyone would agree.

But since we'll never "take the 10 commandments out of this argument" this thread is going nowhere.

I'm afraid, I'm just able to look at both sides of this, and as I said before, in a perfect world we wouldn't have this #$@% , or people suing over Christmas trees or ***** about being told "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time.

Al Swearengen 02-15-2007 03:21 AM

The church is just as guilty of perverting the law as government is, and why is that? Because churches and governments are composed of people, and people are deeply, fatally flawed. But the Ten Commandments...well, its kind of hard to misinterpret those.

Theres no way to remove the Ten Commandments from the equation, but maybe thats a good thing. You see, the more we strive to divorce the teachings of God from humanity's affairs, the more debased we become, the further from grace we find ourselves. This whole issue reminds me of another man who did what he KNEW to be right, remained true to his beliefs, and refused to compromise when it came to his integrity. They took away his livelihood too, the ratbastards.

As for my mentioning the Nazis, its quite relevant...and who's counting? They made a lasting impression on the world, and they'll be mentioned an infinite number of times more before its all over and done. My point being that those National Socialists succeeded in removing God from government, and we all know how well that turned out. What better example is there of what happens when we pretend that those Commandments are not at the heart of our justice system, when we ignore where they came from, and who gave them to us? Without them, there can be no justice...the two are inseparable. A court presided over by a godless man aint a place you'd want your fate decided! Judge Moore understood this, and a judge who would have it any other way is not fit to wear the robe and sit on the bench.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-15-2007 04:52 AM

What does church have to do with this
 
Being a Christian and going to church do not go hand in hand. Church and religion both are man made and just like politics people and money make for problems. The Bible and Christianity are what the founders of this country used to base our laws on. This country is drifting away from that and that may make some of you happy but not me. Socialism is anti Christian and so are the people that pursue that agenda. Call me what you will it does not make any difference in world affairs but there will be house cleaning before all is said and done. If you choose to be anti Christian that is your free choice have a great trip. FYI I do not go to church and have not been in one for over twenty years I do read my Bible and proud of it and history books and I agree that the evangelicals have high jacked the churches and do not teach Bible instead their own dogma so there is good reason for people to loose sight of the truth and that truth is Christianity is a reality not a religion or a church and this falling away from God is written of so play the part of the fool if you choose I can not help you and you can not help your self :laugh:
Isaac

BrainSmashR 02-15-2007 05:45 AM

Feeling a little Holier than thou this morning, eh? Yet another identifying flaw possessed by most zealots.

Your condemnation and false labeling of those who do not share your beliefs shows that, without law, you'd kill over your beliefs as was the common practice of the holier than thou Christian, once upon a time.


Of course, you'll deny the accusation, because afterall, you're a better Christian, right?

Isaac-Saxxon 02-15-2007 07:48 AM

Of course, you'll deny the accusation
 
I have told you to believe what you want but your accusations are just that and nothing more. I am not the judge and you sir should be glad of that on one hand and on the other well the great leveler comes to us all even someone as wise as you are. You came on this board and went right after my threads and I see you have posted on other forums and been ask to leave. I will say thanks for your help at keeping this thread alive for there are many that read and do not write and they too can make up their own mind as to what they believe. I am very content knowing that the dregs of society will be purged for the eternity.
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 02-15-2007 09:51 AM

This topic is getting a little too hot and heavy for my taste. I thought we were discussing Judge Roy Moore.

LateNight 02-15-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
This topic is getting a little too hot and heavy for my taste. I thought we were discussing Judge Roy Moore.

No, we were talking about the Nazis, now stay on topic !

Yes you are correct,

Isaac-Saxxon 02-15-2007 10:17 AM

Now, now children
 
I was ok with the disagreement until the name calling got started. Judge Roy Moore did the right thing and not the left thing. Call me a zealot or a putz or dude what ever it does not change the facts it is a way to deflect the issue at hand. I will never fit in the PC crowd. :nono:
Isaac

joepole 02-15-2007 10:22 AM

The Nazis were not socialists. The fact that they had the word "Socialist" in the English translation of their party's name doesn't make them socialist.

>This country is founded on Christian principals and the Ten Commandments are the base root of the entire legal system.

Both of those statements are incorrect.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-15-2007 11:16 AM

Well I sort of agree
 
The Nazis were not socialists they are fascists I agree with that. It was on the other hand the Christians that left England and brought with them the Bible and that is where our base comes from for our Constitution. It was and is all about freedom of religion.
Isaac

BrainSmashR 02-15-2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
I was ok with the disagreement until the name calling got started. Judge Roy Moore did the right thing and not the left thing. Call me a zealot or a putz or dude what ever it does not change the facts it is a way to deflect the issue at hand. I will never fit in the PC crowd. :nono:
Isaac


Roy Moore broke the law and there is nothing right about that.

Now if you don't like being refered to as a zealot, try acting like a rational human being instead of someone who refers to criminal activity as "the right thing" and calling people who support the laws of this country Socialists.

Isaac-Saxxon 02-15-2007 12:23 PM

If the shoe fits .......
 
yes you got it wear it. Your name calling along with your post speak for themselves. You may like to be PC but not me not now not ever. I know you will never agree so be it. I have made my point and that point is Judge Roy Moore may have not obeyed the law that was handed down by ACLU judges but he stood up and called a spade a spade. The attack on Christianity has reached to a level of no return. There will be a correction and it will not be the hand of any man !
Isaac


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