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Originally Posted by Rough Rider
"Cut bait and run" sounds like a good sound byte. Sells well. But it's nothing but crap. I wouldn't say it was time to leave, if anybody who was running this show had a plan. And by the way, if we did leave, what would we be leaving, but a country so caught up in it's own troubles, we just happen to be the only people they hate more than themselves.
A stand for freedom ? Fight for what's right ?? How are our troops standing around, playing cop, waiting to get shot at first 'standing for freedom' ??? not to mention those people could care less about freedom, they just want the power on and the water on.
No, i'm not listening to "retired-talk show hosts" military folks.. These are commmanders ON THE GROUND, saying such things.
I'll use the word Patriot all I want to, thank you very much. I'm tired of having my patriotism being brought into question, because I've got my own head on my shoulders. And I don't agree with all the propaganda that gets thrown my way.
I'm against the continuation of this war for some very obvious reasons. most importantly, there is no plan. But to throw more money and troops at it. That's not a solution. I have to ask why you are so FOR THIS WAR. ? Can you give me something other than a canned sound byte from talk radio ?
"Fight them there so we don't have to fight them there" is the stupidest damn thing I've ever heard. I mean if it were true that would be great. If these "people" we are fighting had a country, that would make sense. Just because we fight them in Iraq doesn't keep them from our soil. These people are very patient. it was back in '93 when they bombed the World Trade Center the first time. Go forward 8 years to 9/11 and they are back again. Fighting them in Iraq, is not going to keep the few who want to sneak into this country from getting in.
IF we're looking for a fight.. let's find BIN LADEN for cryin' out loud.. Let's shut IRAN UP for cryin' out loud.
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Ummm, exactly how many attacks on American soil or on American interests outside of the middle east have taken place since we decided to "fight them there instead of over here"?
While that's certainly not a reason to question your patriotism, it's certainly reason enough to question your logic. The last administration did nothing in the face of ever increasing attacks and the end result was a major atrocity perpetrated on our own soil. We start fighting them in their own homeland, and 6 years later, not one significant terrorist attack abroad and none on American interests.
As far as a plan....it's the same plan we've always had. Remove the tyrant, establish a Democracy, defend that Democracy until it can defend itself. You want a time line when that will be completed? No problem, just get a time line from the insurgency detailing when they will stop attacking the newly established Democracy and we can't start shipping troops out the next day.