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Old 10-31-2007, 06:24 PM   #16
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New Orleans could have been hit by a hurricane at any time in the last 100+ years. It could have happened under Edwards or Treen or Roemer, but it didn't. Blanco won that lottery by chance, and suffers these days because she is white and also because of liberalism.

I seriously doubt any politician could be prepared for such a disaster, not because the scientists didn't predict the event wouldn't eventually happen, but because of a rise in socialism. What we witnessed was the lack of government being able to save the day. Only liberals think the government should be reponsible for your life and welfare. And if that his true, it is nice not to be responsible for your own well being, just let the government take care of it. The result is having your guns taken away. The result is being stuck in a hell hole. Many people don't get it, because they want to rely on the government instead of themselves. People who put faith in their government over themselves don't deserve to survive in a world where survivial of the fittest still rings true.

Some people are not able to take care of themselves, elderly, children, etc. But I would rather rely on my family, my church, my friends, and my paid help anyday of the week over government, and I don't even give them 30% plus of my paycheck.
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New Orleans could have been hit by a hurricane at any time in the last 100+ years. It could have happened under Edwards or Treen or Roemer, but it didn't. Blanco won that lottery by chance, and suffers these days because she is white and also because of liberalism.

I seriously doubt any politician could be prepared for such a disaster, not because the scientists didn't predict the event wouldn't eventually happen, but because of a rise in socialism. What we witnessed was the lack of government being able to save the day. Only liberals think the government should be reponsible for your life and welfare. And if that his true, it is nice not to be responsible for your own well being, just let the government take care of it. The result is having your guns taken away. The result is being stuck in a hell hole. Many people don't get it, because they want to rely on the government instead of themselves. People who put faith in their government over themselves don't deserve to survive in a world where survivial of the fittest still rings true.

Some people are not able to take care of themselves, elderly, children, etc. But I would rather rely on my family, my church, my friends, and my paid help anyday of the week over government, and I don't even give them 30% plus of my paycheck.

I agree with everythin you've said, Rhertz. I dont blame Blank-O for bein unlucky enough to have Katrina happen on her watch. But I believe she was complicit in and thus culpable for that unconscionable crime against the law-abidin people of that area, and she should be punished for it.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:16 PM   #18
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I just now watched the youtube and I agree that the cops were and are way off base taking the weapons away from citizens and of all times when they most need it. I think the cops got a case of to much power in that situation and should have been held responsible for their actions. I am sure they would not want to have their weapons taken if they where in their own home. OH but they are cops and privilege comes with that. Kathy Blanco is a puppet and her handlers screwed the pooch.
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I agree with almost everythin you've said, Rhertz. I dont blame Blank-O for bein unlucky enough to have Katrina happen on her watch. But I believe she was complicit and thus culpable for that unconscionable crime against the law-abidin people of that area, and she should be punished for it.
Al, I agree taking firearms from legal Amercians is unconscionable, and against our constitution. Also the Post-Katrina bridge blockade, preventing citizens from escaping the disaster and simply walking to freedom. Also abandoning elderly in assisted living facilities. And more sins those days than I care to mention.

Also allowing millions of illegal aliens live in our country and get drivers licenses. Were do I stop? I will sum things up by blaming "government" and not one single individual. That rings "scapegoat", "fall guy", "bagholder" to me... Such massive failures could not possibly be any one man's (or woman's) fault. It was a total breakdown of the institution who takes our tax money or else puts us in jail.

Really it is yours, mine, and the other guys fault - every single citizen who votes for larger and larger government to save the day instead of voting for smaller government and greater personal responsibility. Blanco was voted in. Elected by the greatest system on earth (albeit flawed). Why not blame all the voters? Are they not ultimately responsible?
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I will sum things up by blaming "government" and not one single individual. That rings "scapegoat", "fall guy", "bagholder" to me... Such massive failures could not possibly be any one man's (or woman's) fault. It was a total breakdown of the institution who takes our tax money or else puts us in jail.

Really it is yours, mine, and the other guys fault - every single citizen who votes for larger and larger government to save the day instead of voting for smaller government and greater personal responsibility. Blanco was voted in. Elected by the greatest system on earth (albeit flawed). Why not blame all the voters? Are they not ultimately responsible?
If ya blame the government or the voters, ya make it possible for the individuals in government/power who commit such crimes to go undetected, unprosecuted, unsentenced, and unpunished, which sends the message to their fellow government employees (civil servants) that they can violate our rights and freedoms with impunity. Which is why we must hold them accountable. Governments are composed of individuals who are accountable for the decisions and choices they make that affect us all. This is why that "I was just followin orders" horseschit didnt cut it at Nuremburg, and it aint gonna cut it here!
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I just now watched the youtube and I agree that the cops were and are way off base taking the weapons away from citizens and of all times when they most need it. I think the cops got a case of to much power in that situation and should have been held responsible for their actions. I am sure they would not want to have their weapons taken if they where in their own home. OH but they are cops and privilege comes with that. Kathy Blanco is a puppet and her handlers screwed the pooch.
Good post. Blanco may be a puppet but voters hold all the strings. Speaking for myself, I am disappointed in all Louisiana voters since Huey Long and maybe before that. The Levees should have held, if the last 50 years of government was capable and honest. The levies were not built by the Blanco administration. Ticking time bomb went off, and there are more time bombs in Louisiana than I care to think about. (wetland destruction, pollution, good ole boys network, levee board, another hurricane, etc.) I hope one does not go off for Jindal, but it could. Some might give him a pass if he flashes his GOP card. I am a Republican but I've VERY pro-Louisiana above all! God Bless this great state! (despite the state we are in) LOL
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If ya blame the government or the voters, ya make it possible for the individuals in government/power who commit such crimes to go undetected, unprosecuted, unsentenced, and unpunished, which sends the message to their fellow government employees (civil servants) that they can violate our rights and freedoms with impunity. Which is why we must hold them accountable. Governments are composed of individuals who are accountable for the decisions and choices they make that affect us all. This is why the "I was just followin orders" horse**** didnt cut it at Nuremburg. And it aint gonna cut it here!
Good point. So why was Nagin given a pass and re-elected? Did Blanco break the law but Nagin did not? In any event, I would say we could fill our jails with crimes comitted that fateful day when the city went under water.

Unless given some facts that point to Blanco, I do not think she made the decision to disarm citizens. Lots of rogue public servants were doing all sorts of crazy stuff that day such as looting, preventing escape, disarming people, etc. I bet she saw it all on the news like you and I. Bush is pro-gun. Why do you not hold our President responsible for disarming Americans? After all, they were Amercian citizens as well as Louisiana citizens.

I do agree someone (the person who make the call) should be held responsible and put on the spot to explain his actions and suffer the consequences for violating our federal constitution in a major way!
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God loves the GOP. Good old people. I do not think Bobby would have to use Katrina to "try" and make the GOP look bad like sour grapes Blanco. I am for LA too but not a spaced out old woman that sheet herself when the heat was on. She is trying to strike out right now but a one legged duck does not pack much of a punch.

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Al, what bothers me the most, is this. Where is all the outrage from other politicans for disarming citizens? Where is the outrage among citizens for that matter? What bothers me is the new generation of "sheep" being cultivated. I'm about to take my 14 year old son out duck hunting on youth day this weekend. Yes I let my child blast ducks with a real shotgun. How much longer will that be legal? I am fully sensitive to the erosion of our civil rights and the ACLU ain't helping the right folks IMHO..
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Al, what bothers me the most, is this. Where is all the outrage from other politicians for disarming citizens? Where is the outrage among citizens for that matter? What bothers me is the new generation of "sheep" being cultivated. I'm about to take my 14 year old son out duck hunting on youth day this weekend. Yes I let my child blast ducks with a real shotgun. How much longer will that be legal? I am fully sensitive to the erosion of our civil rights and the ACLU ain't helping the right folks IMHO..
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Good point. So why was Nagin given a pass and re-elected? Did Blanco break the law but Nagin did not? In any event, I would say we could fill our jails with crimes comitted that fateful day when the city went under water.

Unless given some facts that point to Blanco, I do not think she made the decision to disarm citizens. Lots of rogue public servants were doing all sorts of crazy stuff that day such as looting, preventing escape, disarming people, etc. I bet she saw it all on the news like you and I. Bush is pro-gun. Why do you not hold our President responsible for disarming Americans? After all, they were Amercian citizens as well as Louisiana citizens.

I do agree someone (the person who make the call) should be held responsible and put on the spot to explain his actions and suffer the consequences for violating our federal constitution in a major way!
I think you answered your own question as to why Chocolate Nagin got re-elected...the liberal "big government will save us" mentality of the black majority, and if the rest of Louisiana had been allowed to vote in that election, he'd be out on his ass along with Blabbin-O Blank-O, who is herself a staunch proponent of big government, but statewide the voters gave her the boot. I dont believe Bush had anythin to do with it, but if an investigation were to turn up evidence that he did, then he should be tried as well.
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I think you answered your own question as to why Chocolate Nagin got re-elected...the liberal "big government will save us" mentality of the black majority, and if the rest of Louisiana had been allowed to vote in that election, he'd be out on his ass along with Blabbin-O Blank-O, who is herself a staunch proponent of big government, but statewide the voters gave her the boot. I dont believe Bush had anythin to do with it, but if an investigation were to turn up evidence that he did, then he should be tried as well.
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Blanco is part of the democRAT machine like Mary, Mary is slated to be next to go. Now that would icing on the cake. God willing and creek don't rise. Brother Ray is nothing short of a joke like Dollar Bill Jefferson. Time to clean up this state the GOP backlash has begone.
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Al, what bothers me the most, is this. Where is all the outrage from other politicans for disarming citizens? Where is the outrage among citizens for that matter? What bothers me is the new generation of "sheep" being cultivated. I'm about to take my 14 year old son out duck hunting on youth day this weekend. Yes I let my child blast ducks with a real shotgun. How much longer will that be legal? I am fully sensitive to the erosion of our civil rights and the ACLU ain't helping the right folks IMHO..
Again, you and I are in 100% agreement. The good news is, it's not too late to reclaim our land. We voted Bobby Jindal into office because he convinced us that he would carry out our wishes. Now we must vote for Dr. Ron Paul to lead the nation. He and Jindal would make an outstandin team. As LateNight so eloquently put it, "Dr. Paul is the cure for voter apathy"! Join the revolution today!
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I seriously doubt any politician could be prepared for such a disaster
I think Haley Barbour did a credible job.
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1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence

Any violation of the Bill Of Rights is treason, but most especially a violation of the Second Amendment, since it is this very right that safeguards all of our other inalienable rights against a tyranical government. Ergo, their actions constitute treason. End of story.
1. That is from (I assume) some dictionary, since the Constitution clearly defines treason in article III:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

So "any violation of the Bill Of Rights is treason" is ludicrous. If that were true every single President of the United States (including the current one) would have been executed because every single Presidential administration since at least Lincoln has had at least one Executive action ruled Unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

I ask again, why do you consider it acceptable to personally selectively ignore portions of the Constitution (such as the very specific definition of treason) but when someone else does it (such as the not-court-verified right for an individual to bear arms) you consider it an offense worthy of execution?
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