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Old 02-14-2007, 05:33 AM   #16
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That is so wrong. This country is founded on Christian principals and the Ten Commandments are the base root of the entire legal system. The people that want to tear that down are the same people that would have socialism take the place of our Republic. It will never happen but it will get close before the correction comes and when it does there will be a major house cleaning.
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Since when does not wanting to be governed by zealots with no regard for the law equal opposing Democracy and Free Enterprise?

That's called propaganda, buddy, and precisely why more and more people are turning away from the church.
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Old 02-14-2007, 08:18 AM   #17
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Since when does not wanting to be governed by zealots with no regard for the law equal opposing Democracy and Free Enterprise?
LOL, since opposing the Iraq war meant you are unpatriotic and don't support the troops.

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Old 02-14-2007, 09:33 AM   #18
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A violation of Separation between Church and State, eh? I think posting the 10 Commandments is about as illegal as saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Although my position isn't to favor Christians any more than any other faith, I think displaying such a thing in public shouldn't be illegal.

This happened not too long ago in Dallas. It was Christmas time. The Dallas Airport had a big lit up Cross in one of the terminals. An Atheist man walked by and considered himself offended by it. He went whining to the courts and had the airport to take it down. This man wasn't even from Dallas! He just there to board a connecting flight! This issue had nothing to do with separation between church and state, but it still happened.

Anywho, I really don't know if the Judge should've posted the Commandments or just leave his religion private. However, I think taking his career away is quite excessive.
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:45 PM   #19
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That's called propaganda, buddy,

It is a Republic buddy for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:10 PM   #20
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It is a Republic buddy for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related
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It is very related!
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Old 02-14-2007, 04:02 PM   #21
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LOL, since opposing the Iraq war meant you are unpatriotic and don't support the troops.


I see, so you do base all of your opinions on completely unrelated issues or just when you feel like being laughed at?

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Anywho, I really don't know if the Judge should've posted the Commandments or just leave his religion private. However, I think taking his career away is quite excessive.
So would you feel the same if Roy Moore was caught doing drugs or is that one of the laws you DO think should be enforced?

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It is a Republic buddy for which it stands ! One nation under God ....
Oh and yes it your right not to agree because of all the brave souls that have fought for that right. Oh the moral decline we just can not figure out what has caused our children to kill each other and do not forget the American step family. I am sure none of this stuff is related
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Well all I can say is that we have separation of Church and State because of Christians, not in spite of them.

Personally, I don't care what faith anyone chooses to follow, as long as they can do it within the limits of the law...
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Old 02-14-2007, 04:27 PM   #22
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Not becauses of Christians but because of England

This is why the people came to America because the state run religion was giving them no room to disagree with the Bible. The attack on Christians is a socialist move and the media and legalist are using the ACLU and every other tool they can to bring down our country and there are many people who agree with this cancer. Law's of president are the cancer instead of the law itself. You can be a heathen all you want but history will repeat and the dregs of society will be purged in the end. Smash all you want which is a term for tearing down which is what socialism is. Ever thought of living in Russia Maybe a few history books would open your eyes to the truth. This judge did what is right and he may pay a price now but the heathen will pay a eternal price. A brave man dies once but a coward dies a thousand deaths.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:09 PM   #23
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That's right, the Pilgrims came to America to escape zealots like you....the exact same reason good people are leaving the church all together now.

Maybe it's YOU who needs to pick up a history book.....when you get back to Earth that is.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:26 PM   #24
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What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. If anything, in these troubling times I bet church attendence is at an alltime high. Anyway, I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!

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Old 02-14-2007, 07:16 PM   #25
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What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!
I agree with what you have said who heartedly.

My point is that Isaac is claiming that those of us who choose the law over religion are, in essence, promoting Socialism. That's not only false, it's propaganda as well, and that type of propaganda is what's driving people away from the church.

Do I have data to prove that? Not handy, but if you believe it's false, then why make a statement like "how far we have fallen"?
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Old 02-14-2007, 07:41 PM   #26
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I made the statement "how far we have fallen" because we have indeed fallen far, have we not? When a God fearing man is stripped of his livelihood because he would not compromise his faith or what he knows to be right and good...I'd say we've turned a corner, wouldnt you? We have reached a new high in low. You said people are "turning away from the church"! I believe that the people who are turning away from it are the same ones who were never a part of it in the first place. In times of trouble, such as these, I'd wager that church attendance rises exponentially. Even so, church attendance is by no means a measure of man's decadence. Churchs are chock full of hypocrites. Well, maybe "hypocrite" is a bit harsh, since we're only human, and fallible. Lets just say the church is full of sinners, and leave it at that.

As far as the observance of "law over religion" being an aim of socialism, Im inclined to agree with you that it is not...on the face of it. However, the Nazis were socialists, and they firmly believed that laws took precedence over religion, and look how they ended up! Men have a tendency to pervert or distort law, and who knows this better than a judge? If I ever find myself standing before an earthly judge, I'll count myself lucky if his decisions are above all else governed and guided by the laws given to us by the creator, rather than strict adherence to the laws of men.

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It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis

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Hypocrite is not overly harsh, it is the exact term one should use to describe those people.

As for turning the corner, I agree that we have, but I don't see it as a failing, but rather as a growth. Once upon a time people prayed for cures, now we have medicine and science....just like once upon a time the Church made all of the laws and now we have Democracy and freedom of choice.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:50 PM   #29
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Speaking of Nazis..
If say for example, this judge had put up some Nazi symbol/monument outside his courthouse, and he was told by higher courts to remove it, and he refused, and he lost his job, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As I've said before, I think the WHOLE thing is stupid, and this should have never been an issue in the first place. But it's the fact that a judge of all people should set an example and listen to the higher courts. Take away the 10 commandments out of this argument, and I think everyone would agree.

But since we'll never "take the 10 commandments out of this argument" this thread is going nowhere.

I'm afraid, I'm just able to look at both sides of this, and as I said before, in a perfect world we wouldn't have this #$@% , or people suing over Christmas trees or ***** about being told "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time.
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The church is just as guilty of perverting the law as government is, and why is that? Because churches and governments are composed of people, and people are deeply, fatally flawed. But the Ten Commandments...well, its kind of hard to misinterpret those.

Theres no way to remove the Ten Commandments from the equation, but maybe thats a good thing. You see, the more we strive to divorce the teachings of God from humanity's affairs, the more debased we become, the further from grace we find ourselves. This whole issue reminds me of another man who did what he KNEW to be right, remained true to his beliefs, and refused to compromise when it came to his integrity. They took away his livelihood too, the ratbastards.

As for my mentioning the Nazis, its quite relevant...and who's counting? They made a lasting impression on the world, and they'll be mentioned an infinite number of times more before its all over and done. My point being that those National Socialists succeeded in removing God from government, and we all know how well that turned out. What better example is there of what happens when we pretend that those Commandments are not at the heart of our justice system, when we ignore where they came from, and who gave them to us? Without them, there can be no justice...the two are inseparable. A court presided over by a godless man aint a place you'd want your fate decided! Judge Moore understood this, and a judge who would have it any other way is not fit to wear the robe and sit on the bench.

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