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Old 05-06-2007, 01:33 AM   #106
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>It says you don't have to retreat, not that you automatically assume your safety is in danger and nothing less than deadly force will resolve the situation.

You should read it again, it says exactly that.
And to help Brain do just that.. here it is verbatim according to the LAW

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the
process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle
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(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

Justifiable homicid. A homicide is justifiable:
When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder toleave the premises or motor vehicle.

Doesn't say a darn thing about checking with the intruder to see if they have a weapon.

END OF STORY.. He shoots, he scores


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Old 05-06-2007, 04:55 AM   #107
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And to help Brain do just that.. here it is verbatim according to the LAW

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the
process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle
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(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

Justifiable homicid. A homicide is justifiable:
When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder toleave the premises or motor vehicle.

Doesn't say a darn thing about checking with the intruder to see if they have a weapon.

END OF STORY.. He shoots, he scores


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The cops do it all the time if they feel threatened in ANY way
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Old 05-06-2007, 07:39 AM   #108
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And to help Brain do just that.. here it is verbatim according to the LAW

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom the force or violence was used was in the
process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle
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(2) The person who used force or violence knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

Justifiable homicid. A homicide is justifiable:
When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder toleave the premises or motor vehicle.

Doesn't say a darn thing about checking with the intruder to see if they have a weapon.

END OF STORY.. He shoots, he scores


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The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger. Such as when you tell someone to freeze at gunpoint, under your own carport, and they continue advancing upon you. No weapon, no threat, no advancement upon you or any member of your family, no REASONABLE BELIEF that deadly force is necessary in order to resolve the situation.

Get used to it or shoot one of your kids friends in the back and learn the hard way. No skin off my nose.

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The cops do it all the time if they feel threatened in ANY way
The police have considerably more "sway", if you will, with the law than average citizens.

Notice the can carry firearms into banks and speed all over town, I don't recommend you try the same.
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Isaac knows a great deal more about what it means to be an American, a citizen of our Constitutional Republic, than ya ever will.
Well I HAVE seen what passes for intelligence over here.

So if you two want to believe supporting the Constitution makes one a Socialist, all I can say is that I had no idea that you were retarded....I just thought you were stupid.
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I suggest ya extract your head from your ass and concentrate more on preservin (y)our freedoms and less on being a nuisance!
Or I can continue telling you none of your freedoms are in danger, Mr. McVeigh, or is it Mr. Koresch?
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Ya claim to be a friend and supporter of the Second Amendment? Not from where Im standin! Ya can start by admittin ya dont know schit about the law. THEN ya can contact the NRA and make a donation.
Or I can continue telling retarded people like you that the NRA is a special interest group, not a government entity. Maybe if you stopped listening to then you could move up from retarded status....but most retarded people lack the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and you're no exception.
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Next time ya post, I'll be expectin to hear that you've done just that! Do otherwise and you'll be exposin yourself for the socialist anti-American gun-grabbin freedom-hater that I strongly suspect ya to be.
Or I can reiterate that no one is after your guns, that your second amendment rights are not in danger, and you're just a gun-toting coward spreading lies and propaganda. When you stop, I'll stop posting the truth as the Department of Justice sees it, not an 800 year old fool like Heston, and a retarded zealot like you.
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Al, LateNite, Isaac and the rest you have proven your case and proven it well. There are also many cases out there to prove that anyone would not go to jail for shooting someone using force to break into their home (armed or unarmed). You do have to face the fact though that Brain would rather DIE than admit he is wrong and one of you is right.
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Well I HAVE seen what passes for intelligence over here.

So if you two want to believe supporting the Constitution makes one a Socialist, all I can say is that I had no idea that you were retarded....I just thought you were stupid.


Or I can continue telling you none of your freedoms are in danger, Mr. McVeigh, or is it Mr. Koresch?


Or I can continue telling retarded people like you that the NRA is a special interest group, not a government entity. Maybe if you stopped listening to then you could move up from retarded status....but most retarded people lack the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and you're no exception.


Or I can reiterate that no one is after your guns, that your second amendment rights are not in danger, and you're just a gun-toting coward spreading lies and propaganda. When you stop, I'll stop posting the truth as the Department of Justice sees it, not an 800 year old fool like Heston, and a retarded zealot like you.
You've "seen what passes for intelligence here" huh? Well YOU'RE HERE, and thats the ONLY reason why the collective intelligence on this forum would ever be in question. Besides, thats only the twentieth time you've used that same phrase...repeatin yourself like the goddamned rainman, ya got no room to be callin ANYONE stupid or retarded. And if ya think our freedoms arent in danger or that nobody's after our guns you're blind AND stupid. If your head aint up your own ass, its up Rosie's. Name one lie I posted, or one sentence of propoganda. YOU CANT! All ya can do is sit there behind your keyboard and shoot off your fat mouth about things ya dont know jackschit about, which is just about everythin except yankin your lil weenie to pictures of Rosie. And who the phuk are ya callin a coward? I hear you're billybadass when it comes to slappin women around? Why dontcha try that schit on me? I'll tell ya why, cuz you're just a big pussy that gets his rocks off hittin girls. Just to keep it legal so ya cant turn around and press assault charges after ya get your ass kicked, we can take it to the gym, put the gloves on and have at it! What do ya say, internet toughguy?
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The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger.
For the LOVE OF (insert deity of your choice where applicable).

That is NOT EVEN what I said. If your going to QUOTE what I said, try reading it FIRST.

What I did say, and I'll try highlighting it again for you. It's justifiable to shoot someone....
against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business
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There are to many kids and their friends coming through my house to be shooting at shadows. I do not do it in the woods and would not do it in my house. Now if I know Tyrone is doing a home invasion well does swiss cheese mean anything to ya ? I might have to get a lawyer but Tyrone will not need one I can guarantee that. If it comes down to me or him well he can kiss his ass goodbye Al I like your post but calm down I know I sure would not reach for your gun You know I hunt all the time and I keep side arms where they can be reached now that my kids are grown
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>The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger.

You do realize that the part you quoted is the middle of the sentence that is explaining that the mere presence of an unarmed individual in your home does constitute a reasonable belief that your safety is in danger, don't you?

Is English not your first language or are you being intentionally obtuse?
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You've "seen what passes for intelligence here" huh? Well YOU'RE HERE, and thats the ONLY reason why the collective intelligence on this forum would ever be in question.
Of course, why would an idiot like you question the intelligence of people who believe in imaginary beings or make up their own definitions and laws as well?
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Besides, thats only the twentieth time you've used that same phrase...repeatin yourself like the goddamned rainman, ya got no room to be callin ANYONE stupid or retarded.
Well obviously it grates on your nerves, but I guess even now you're still to stupid to figure out why I continue to use it.
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And if ya think our freedoms arent in danger or that nobody's after our guns you're blind AND stupid.
No, I just don't think some retarded zealot like you deserves the right to carry a fully-automatic weapon down the street just because they exist....and what do you know, the government agrees with me.
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If your head aint up your own ass, its up Rosie's. Name one lie I posted, or one sentence of propoganda.
How about your current right to bare arms being in danger? When did this bill to limit your second amendment rights pass both houses of congress and a presidential veto?

O that's right, you LIED in order to make your argument sound more convincing.
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YOU CANT!
Pretty sure I just did.....
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All ya can do is sit there behind your keyboard and shoot off your fat mouth about things ya dont know jackschit about, which is just about everythin except yankin your lil weenie to pictures of Rosie.
Well I could talk about banging your Mom last night, but I doubt you want all the gory details.
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And who the phuk are ya callin a coward?
You, would you prefer the term gun toting vagina?
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I hear you're billybadass when it comes to slappin women around? Why dontcha try that schit on me?
652-0695 Put your money where your mouth is tough guy.
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I'll tell ya why, cuz you're just a big pussy that gets his rocks off hittin girls. Just to keep it legal so ya cant turn around and press assault charges after ya get your ass kicked, we can take it to the gym, put the gloves on and have at it! What do ya say, internet toughguy?
Yeah, I'll be waiting on that phone call.
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>The mere presence of a unarmed individual in your home does not constitute a REASONABLE BELIEF that your safety is in danger.

You do realize that the part you quoted is the middle of the sentence that is explaining that the mere presence of an unarmed individual in your home does constitute a reasonable belief that your safety is in danger, don't you?

Is English not your first language or are you being intentionally obtuse?
No, it says that YOU as the legal resident must have a REASONABLE BELIEF that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the premises or motorvehicle.

I won't suggest that English isn't you first language, you don't appear smart enough to be an immigrant. I just hope you don't wind up in jail on murder charges with a guilty conscience for shooting you kids boy/girlfriend in the back while sneaking out the window.
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For the LOVE OF (insert deity of your choice where applicable).

That is NOT EVEN what I said. If your going to QUOTE what I said, try reading it FIRST.
Why would I quote your incorrect assumptions?

If you are going to debate the LAW, try reading IT first, Einstein.
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There are to many kids and their friends coming through my house to be shooting at shadows. I do not do it in the woods and would not do it in my house. Now if I know Tyrone is doing a home invasion well does swiss cheese mean anything to ya ? I might have to get a lawyer but Tyrone will not need one I can guarantee that. If it comes down to me or him well he can kiss his ass goodbye Al I like your post but calm down I know I sure would not reach for your gun You know I hunt all the time and I keep side arms where they can be reached now that my kids are grown
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Exactly my point. The mere presence of Tyrone in your house doesn't automatically mean "you or him".....hence the phrase "reasonable belief".
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Why would I quote your incorrect assumptions?

If you are going to debate the LAW, try reading IT first, Einstein.
I've read it, I've quoted it.. NOWHERE does it say, he's got to be armed.
I didn't ASSUME anything, I quoted the LAW.

As it states.. all is required is illegal entry into a dwelling or an ATTEMPT to make an illegal entry.
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