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Old 10-15-2006, 11:11 AM   #1
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Russia the sleeping giant.

Russia who the west thinks is a broken country is a sleeping giant. Russia has been behind every problem
we have ever had. Central America, Cuba, China, Vietnam, France, Iraq, Iran and many others. They hate
us as it is written in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Russ or Tubal Cain, Gog and Magog and all there hoards are just
inching up on us. Russia has missiles in the Bering Straights inside the exclusion zone placed there during
the Clinton years and still there today. We can not appease this giant with sugar it only helps them to reach
there ultimate goal of bringing down the west. President Regan had it down to the mark and that would be
only strenth is respected in this world and that means carry a big ass stick. I don't think we can put the monkey
back in the box. Starting in the early 60's the ACLU and there evil little pack of wolves has done the
damage from the inside and our dear friends in the Kremlin have slow but sure expanded there campaign
to diminish the west. We need Reagan for a President now and George Patton leading our armed forces
but even that might be to little to late. It is written in Ezekiel that God has a date with the evil forces
of Gog and Tubal Cain and HE does not need us to fight that fight for HIM !
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This is a shot of what those communist-socialist think of the USA !

U.S. wasted chance to improve the world: Gorbachev



Oct 13, 12:07 PM (ET)


BERLIN (Reuters) - Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who played a key role in ending the Cold War, said the United States had squandered an opportunity to improve global politics after the Cold War, a paper said on Friday.

In comments that were among the harshest he has made about the United States, Gorbachev compared U.S. foreign policy to one of the deadliest diseases on the planet -- AIDS.

"Today our American friends are suffering from an illness worse than AIDS. And I would say this is the victor's complex," Gorbachev was quoted as saying in an interview with the Netzzeitung.

Unable to extricate itself from its Cold War mentality, the United States was playing a dwindling role in world politics, while Russia, China, Brazil, Europe, India and Japan were becoming stronger, Gorbachev said.

North Korea, which said on Monday it had successfully completed a nuclear test, was an example. Only China and Russia were in a position to handle Pyongyang, he said.

Washington will in future have to act less on its own and get used to a position of diminished importance, he said.

"The Americans will have to understand that in future they will have to cooperate and make decisions jointly, instead of just always wanting to give orders," Gorbachev said.

He said the United States and other Western countries had missed an opportunity to make the world a better place after the fall of the Berlin Wall in November 1989 ushered in the end of communism.

"At that point, the West focused more on its geopolitical interests," Gorbachev said, adding that Western countries had been more interested in cashing in on the "unbridled burst of globalization" that followed the end of the Cold War than in improving the international political climate.
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:57 PM   #2
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Except for the fact that it's not "OUR" problem to begin with. When a country is so economically tied to war profiteering as ours has become, that's when national and public interests decline, and it's only the weapons contracts that our citizens fight for, the men in suits leisurely accept victory or defeat, no matter the deaths they've become the primary cause of.

A lot of the wars/conflicts that you've mentioned as Russia being a "problem" were none other than their national support behind their interest groups, that doesn't make them inherently wrong, but it's just like changing United States to Russia in that sentence and coming out with the same thing: countries that use war to support political interest groups.

Just because the United States decided to go against the orders of every peace organization internationally to fight these wars doesn't mean its ideas are unique, nor does it mean the United States is the only one "brave" enough to fight these conflicts, it means that the leaders of the time period thought it okay to submit the citizens of their country into places they didn't want to be, their families didn't want them to be, and where the only support was from the tyrants behind the missile launch command buttons.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:48 AM   #3
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Except for the fact that it's not "OUR" problem to begin with. When a country is so economically tied to war profiteering as ours has become, that's when national and public interests decline, and it's only the weapons contracts that our citizens fight for, the men in suits leisurely accept victory or defeat, no matter the deaths they've become the primary cause of.

A lot of the wars/conflicts that you've mentioned as Russia being a "problem" were none other than their national support behind their interest groups, that doesn't make them inherently wrong, but it's just like changing United States to Russia in that sentence and coming out with the same thing: countries that use war to support political interest groups.

Just because the United States decided to go against the orders of every peace organization internationally to fight these wars doesn't mean its ideas are unique, nor does it mean the United States is the only one "brave" enough to fight these conflicts, it means that the leaders of the time period thought it okay to submit the citizens of their country into places they didn't want to be, their families didn't want them to be, and where the only support was from the tyrants behind the missile launch command buttons.
Now that is just real good. You should move on over to Russia and live there and I am sure you would fit right in to your anti American way of thinking.
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:35 AM   #4
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Just because the United States decided to go against the orders of every peace organization internationally to fight these wars doesn't mean its ideas are unique, nor does it mean the United States is the only one "brave" enough to fight these conflicts, it means that the leaders of the time period thought it okay to submit the citizens of their country into places they didn't want to be, their families didn't want them to be, and where the only support was from the tyrants behind the missile launch command buttons.
Well seeing as how 9/11 didn't happen to the international community, I don't see the point in even asking their opinions much less actually taking them into consideration.

Now I'll concede that we are not the only country that's "brave" enough to try and solve the problems of the middle east, but trying to establish a democracy in Iraq IS a never before tried idea and therefore by definition, unique.
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Except for the fact that it's not "OUR" problem to begin with. When a country is so economically tied to war profiteering as ours has become, that's when national and public interests decline, and it's only the weapons contracts that our citizens fight for, the men in suits leisurely accept victory or defeat, no matter the deaths they've become the primary cause of.

A lot of the wars/conflicts that you've mentioned as Russia being a "problem" were none other than their national support behind their interest groups, that doesn't make them inherently wrong, but it's just like changing United States to Russia in that sentence and coming out with the same thing: countries that use war to support political interest groups.

Just because the United States decided to go against the orders of every peace organization internationally to fight these wars doesn't mean its ideas are unique, nor does it mean the United States is the only one "brave" enough to fight these conflicts, it means that the leaders of the time period thought it okay to submit the citizens of their country into places they didn't want to be, their families didn't want them to be, and where the only support was from the tyrants behind the missile launch command buttons.



"Our problem" nice try. Tell that to the Jews saved from the Nazis. Tell that to the Taxation without Representation. Tell that to the victims of 9/11. Tell that to thousands that died in the genocide war from Saddam. Liberty and freedom is our fight. If heart ain't in it, get the Hell out or Vote.

As a side note that is what Our soldiers signed up for... to fight for the oppressed of the world. Get a Clue
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Now that is just real good. You should move on over to Russia and live there and I am sure you would fit right in to your anti American way of thinking.
I can't be patriotic without exposing wrongs about my country's leadership? I've not yet been able to vote, but in the 2008 election, I will make sure to cast my vote if any reasonable candidate is available, otherwise I will abstain, because it's seen as almost a "waste of a vote" if you don't put your money into a Democratic or Republican candidate, that's where the funding is, sadly.
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:33 PM   #7
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"Our problem" nice try. Tell that to the Jews saved from the Nazis. Tell that to the Taxation without Representation. Tell that to the victims of 9/11. Tell that to thousands that died in the genocide war from Saddam. Liberty and freedom is our fight. If heart ain't in it, get the Hell out or Vote.

As a side note that is what Our soldiers signed up for... to fight for the oppressed of the world. Get a Clue
Hundreds of thousands of Jews were immediately turned away from the United States in World War II because there was seen to be no problem until AFTER Russia invaded Berlin and captured the highest of the Nazi Regime (that hadn't suicided out yet). Russia has been one of our greatest allies, and most of the conflict has been from political and media hype.

"What our soldiers signed up for", Do you not realize that most of "our soldiers" are 1. Barely 18, still feeling they're invincible, and no real loss to political standpoint if they are slain? 2. Poor and uneducated citizens who mostly don't know the repercussions of joining the army, and are only there for the money/education benefits?
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"What our soldiers signed up for", Do you not realize that most of "our soldiers" are 1. Barely 18, still feeling they're invincible, and no real loss to political standpoint if they are slain? 2. Poor and uneducated citizens who mostly don't know the repercussions of joining the army, and are only there for the money/education benefits?

So if the 18 year old soldier isn't old enough and/or educated enough to understand what he is doing, then what does that suggest about someone who's even younger?
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So if the 18 year old soldier isn't old enough and/or educated enough to understand what he is doing, then what does that suggest about someone who's even younger?
They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.

Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.
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They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.

Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.
Santabot you may want to try and get that foot out of your mouth
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They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.
You mean like drug dealers "tricked" you into thinking getting high was fun and not detrimental to your health, future, and freedom?

Simply put, your decision to do drugs was 100% of your own doing, just like joining ROTC and/or the Military.

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Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.
Well last time I checked, we had a special place for people who chose to "not necessarily abide by the law". Hopefully you'll realize the error of your ways before you end up on vacation at one of those special resorts.

BTW, study up on the Constitution, kid. We CAN change the laws of this country with a majority vote in congress.....it's called Democracy.
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I believe Santabot that you have been put in your place by Brain. That's scary in itself. Good for you Brain...and I really hate saying that.
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I believe Santabot that you have been put in your place by Brain. That's scary in itself. Good for you Brain...and I really hate saying that.

My intention was not to "put him in his place", but rather to show him that his youth prevents him from viewing the world objectively AND as an adult.

I feel he is wrong because of lack of experence, not because he chooses to be that way as is the case with other users on this forum.

The ROTC is a perfect example. I remember most of the ROTC kids being fairly unintelligent.....not a knock against them, that's just the way that it was. Now since Santabot is only 17, I can surmise that his expose to REAL military personal has been limited as is the case for most high school kids....so why wouldn't he think most of the military consists weaker minded individuals like he sees everyday in ROTC?
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You mean like drug dealers "tricked" you into thinking getting high was fun and not detrimental to your health, future, and freedom?

Simply put, your decision to do drugs was 100% of your own doing, just like joining ROTC and/or the Military.



Well last time I checked, we had a special place for people who chose to "not necessarily abide by the law". Hopefully you'll realize the error of your ways before you end up on vacation at one of those special resorts.

BTW, study up on the Constitution, kid. We CAN change the laws of this country with a majority vote in congress.....it's called Democracy.
Are you initiating those votes in congress? I don't believe so. Your vote does not mean anything unless you send it to the two major political parties with the same agenda behind them: making money.

If I end up in jail, then that's under circumstance alone, as criminals like myself get away with things every day, and it's purely by chance that anyone is ever caught and reprimanded for their actions. By the by, I've been caught before by police with drugs and been let off.

No drug dealer ever came to me wanting to sell drugs, I researched them for myself and administered them myself without any other help from people near me. You, like everyone else here, don't know my situation or my past and can't speak for anyone except yourself, to which you've done nothing so far; all you can do is reply to people by telling them they're wrong.
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My intention was not to "put him in his place", but rather to show him that his youth prevents him from viewing the world objectively AND as an adult.

I feel he is wrong because of lack of experence, not because he chooses to be that way as is the case with other users on this forum.

The ROTC is a perfect example. I remember most of the ROTC kids being fairly unintelligent.....not a knock against them, that's just the way that it was. Now since Santabot is only 17, I can surmise that his expose to REAL military personal has been limited as is the case for most high school kids....so why wouldn't he think most of the military consists weaker minded individuals like he sees everyday in ROTC?
I'm not weak in knowledge of military actions and personnel involved. I've got many family members that have been and currently are on active duty for our country, friends with parents (and friends themselves) in the military, and I never bashed the fact of the matter. I only suggested that a main reason for some people is joining to get certain benefits that should otherwise be free of cost of your life.

I suppose in a few months I'll be an entirely transformed mind and person to make decisions for myself adequately and appropriately, since there are no "adults" in prison, by your own argument.
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