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Old 04-18-2007, 08:17 PM   #16
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If the freedom haters ever manage to repeal the Second Amendment, ALL of the other RIGHTS will follow in short order...don't kid yourself about that. At THAT point, it'll be THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. But you're right Brain, as I stated in another thread, anyone who refuses to accept THAT version of America will be "de facto criminals", or anarchists. As for "trying to recruit other potential anarchists", I don't think I'll have to try very hard. I'm convinced that MOST people share my sentiments. As to your statement that "some of you have a nasty habit of butchering the English language", if you mean me, I just try to write the way I speak, and I do this by choice. Now if that causes you to question MY intelligence, then you're a fool, and you're either all alone or you're in the overwhelming minority.
While I'll concede that writing in slang may not be an indication of your "street smarts", it IS a direct indication of your "book smarts". Although I am surprised to see an amazing LACK of punctuation and spelling mistakes this go around.

However, I still contend that you're over reacting. No prominent politician is supporting increased gun control or outright bans, and the end of America as we know it?!?!?!? Dude, you need some Prozac or something....
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:35 PM   #17
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The government is not the country, you can support one and oppose the other. Patriotism is devotion to ones country, not to one's government. George Bush works for me executing my wishes, not the other way around.

"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs."

"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."

"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."

"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections."

-A guy named Thomas that knew a bit about how our country is supposed to work.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:36 PM   #18
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While I'll concede that writing in slang may not be an indication of your "street smarts", it IS a direct indication of your "book smarts". Although I am surprised to see an amazing LACK of punctuation and spelling mistakes this go around.

However, I still contend that you're over reacting. No prominent politician is supporting increased gun control or outright bans, and the end of America as we know it?!?!?!? Dude, you need some Prozac or something....

Oh, I have plenty of "book smarts", and my punctuation, or lack thereof, is no worse than most...did'nt realize I was bein graded. And you'd be wrong about the number of prominent politicians who support draconian gun control, the names are too numerous to go into here. No thanks on the Prozac...I'll settle for a "Crown & 7".
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The government is not the country, you can support one and oppose the other. Patriotism is devotion to ones country, not to one's government. George Bush works for me executing my wishes, not the other way around.

"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs."

"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."

"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."

"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections."

-A guy named Thomas that knew a bit about how our country is supposed to work.

Thanks Joe...and Thomas. Could'nt have said it better myself!
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:43 PM   #20
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The government is not the country, you can support one and oppose the other. Patriotism is devotion to ones country, not to one's government. George Bush works for me executing my wishes, not the other way around.

"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs."

"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."

"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."

"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections."

-A guy named Thomas that knew a bit about how our country is supposed to work.
yup, tell it like it is there Joe. one quote there I've posted on here from time to time I think

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The government is not the country, you can support one and oppose the other. Patriotism is devotion to ones country, not to one's government. George Bush works for me executing my wishes, not the other way around.

"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs."
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Right off the bat, you're wrong. The President is an elected official, not a "servant of the public". His job is to use his best judgment as an elected official of the United States, not "execute your wishes".

BTW, you're obviously still confused about what a patriot is. That guy named Thomas was and American patriot rebelling against the ENGLISH government.
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Right off the bat, you're wrong. The President is an elected official, not a "servant of the public". His job is to use his best judgment as an elected official of the United States, not "execute your wishes".

BTW, you're obviously still confused about what a patriot is. That guy named Thomas was and American patriot rebelling against the ENGLISH government.
I've decided you like to argue for the sake of argument. but what the hell.. o.k. I'll be a Louisiana patriot fighting against the forces of Washington .. how's that ?? geez louise..

you know what.. screw that, I won't even concede that.. simply speaking our definitions of a patriot differ.
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Right off the bat, you're wrong. The President is an elected official, not a "servant of the public". His job is to use his best judgment as an elected official of the United States, not "execute your wishes".

BTW, you're obviously still confused about what a patriot is. That guy named Thomas was and American patriot rebelling against the ENGLISH government.

No, YOU are wrong right off the bat. ANYONE who works in government, be they elected or appointed is by definition a public servant. This just demonstrates how brainwashed you really are.
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No, YOU are wrong right off the bat. ANYONE who works in government, be they elected or appointed is by definition a public servant. This just demonstrates how brainwashed you really are.

And as a typical christian fool, you rely on belief rather than fact.

So, make the President "serve" you......Let's all get friday off, hotshot.
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And as a typical christian fool, you rely on belief rather than fact.

So, make the President "serve" you......Let's all get friday off, hotshot.
Dont be stupid, though I know thats askin alot from ya. Look up "public servant" if ya dont believe me. Just admit you're wrong and let it go.
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I've decided you like to argue for the sake of argument. but what the hell.. o.k. I'll be a Louisiana patriot fighting against the forces of Washington .. how's that ?? geez louise..

you know what.. screw that, I won't even concede that.. simply speaking our definitions of a patriot differ.
Since Louisiana is a member of the United States, you couldn't be loyal to Louisiana and oppose the federal government if we have not seceded from the federal government. If you were to break federal law you would not find save haven in Louisiana regardless of your perceived definition of patriotism as indicated above.

Speaking of states secededing.....This actually happened once upon a time in our nations history. The states that seceded from the Union were known as the confederate states and sometimes referred to as REBEL forces.
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Dont be stupid, though I know thats askin alot from ya. Look up "public servant" if ya dont believe me. Just admit you're wrong and let it go.

I know the definition of public servant,

I'm asking you to make any elected official serve you or admit that we elected officials to use their best judgment when representing us in political affairs.
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I know the definition of public servant,

I'm asking you to make any elected official serve you or admit that we elected officials to use their best judgment when representing us in political affairs.

"Best Judgement" and "Will of The People" should be the same thing.
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"Best Judgement" and "Will of The People" should be the same thing.
How many times have you been polled before the President made a decision?
How about the Governor?
How about your mayor?

is the answer very rarely?
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