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Old 04-24-2007, 09:30 PM   #1
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The subtle transformation into fascist America.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

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Very interesting, many key and valid points, something I've suspected for a while now, maybe some of you will agree.
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Old 04-25-2007, 01:42 PM   #2
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These ten points sound exactly like what the liberals are trying to do.
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:09 PM   #3
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I see things drifting more towards a subtle transformation into socialist America with increasing entitlements. In other words, we are becoming more like Canada each day. I still see the US as a place where anyone can succeed with hard work and integrity. But success is not free or guaranteed to anyone. If I'm not willing to work or earn a degree and find myself as a lower class citizen, who's fault is that? Just because someone chooses to be in a lower class, doesn't mean they live in a fascist government. There is only so much government can do to educate and motivate someone to succeed.
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I just love when liberals reference foreign sources when describing our country. It makes it so much easier to identify the main problem behind their misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.
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I see things drifting more towards a subtle transformation into socialist America with increasing entitlements. In other words, we are becoming more like Canada each day. I still see the US as a place where anyone can succeed with hard work and integrity. But success is not free or guaranteed to anyone. If I'm not willing to work or earn a degree and find myself as a lower class citizen, who's fault is that? Just because someone chooses to be in a lower class, doesn't mean they live in a fascist government. There is only so much government can do to educate and motivate someone to succeed.
Agreed, and I've seen it the same in seeing our country evolve into a more socialist democracy like Canada, but the difference is our government still claims we're entirely free, so the people who are reasonably affected by mass media still truly believe they're free, even though they live in white socialist America, rename the republican party to the Nazi party and see how many people disagree, but if you look at the similarities in all aspects, there's almost no difference in the two.

Although I disagree on the part of education, a lot of people are unable to get free education, whereas Canadians are all able to go to university, despite their economic class. Here, we just are willing to pay welfare checks and stick people into holes and not hear from them again, as long as they don't shoot at us and commit heinous crimes, which the act of secluding them just makes it a necessity to look towards theft as a legitimate source of living.
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I just love when liberals reference foreign sources when describing our country. It makes it so much easier to identify the main problem behind their misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.
I'm not a liberal, far from it.

The Guardian is also a well-publicized and respected source of information, even for many Americans who enjoy the luxury of seeing our own country from an outside perspective. Britain is not exempt from witnessing the bull**** that goes on in our country; but the sad thing is, most of us are.
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even though they live in white socialist America
You may have had a point once upon a time 50+ years ago. But today socialism is color blind in America.

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Although I disagree on the part of education, a lot of people are unable to get free education, whereas Canadians are all able to go to university, despite their economic class. Here, we just are willing to pay welfare checks and stick people into holes and not hear from them again, as long as they don't shoot at us and commit heinous crimes, which the act of secluding them just makes it a necessity to look towards theft as a legitimate source of living.
Your joking right? Do you know how many government programs there are for educating and training the young and poor? The only thing we do not do is put a gun to everyone's head and tell them what their job will be like in the old Soviet Union. In America we can lead someone to water, but we cannot make them drink.
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Your joking right? Do you know how many government programs there are for educating and training the young and poor? The only thing we do not do is put a gun to everyone's head and tell them what their job will be like in the old Soviet Union. In America we can lead someone to water, but we cannot make them drink.
Sure, join the military and die for your education.
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Sure, join the military and die for your education.

One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.
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One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.
Al you have hit the nail again. I have a print of George Patton and his dog William in a frame on the wall in my office. George has been watching now for about 20 or so years. I love your post once again. I agree let the other poor bastard die for his country and that is better than shoveling sheet in LA!!!
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Old 04-25-2007, 06:44 PM   #11
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One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.
And I agree with you, you're one of the few I do like here.

I'm just saying the way the government has portrayed the military as a corporate entity and it advertises and persuades people to join for reasons outside of the sole fact that you will be entirely setting your life up to the government, they don't advertise that in their commercials, etc. It is too focused on trying to get you to join for reasons other than actually serving for personal reasons, etc.

And I've already gotten plenty of scholarships myself, and I'll maybe be attending LSU in Baton Rouge in a year+, and I've already received a full scholarship there, so it's not an issue for me, but those disadvantaged and older and unable to pay for education, it's a bit harder to find those sort of programs offered by the government and other agencies.
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you will be entirely setting your life up to the government, they don't advertise that in their commercials
You're quite correct on that score...very perceptive. While you're there, they do indeed own your ass. But its necessary...goes with the territory. Most people dont realize that until the cattlecar pulls up to the curb at Basic Trainin and those doors open. Ya sound like a smart young man, and you're to be commended for pressin on with your education.
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You're quite correct on that score...very perceptive. While you're there, they do indeed own your ass. But its necessary...goes with the territory. Most people dont realize that until the cattlecar pulls up to the curb at Basic Trainin and those doors open. Ya sound like a smart young man, and you're to be commended for pressin on with your education.
Indeed. And I highly doubt that I'll be serving in the American military in the future, but that's no reason I wouldn't support those with the balls to do so.

It's kindof funny, because my main example for previous statements is this senior at school who, funnily enough, thought he could scam out the government and sign up for free schooling (in a time that even injured soldiers are being FORCED to re-enter the warzone) and get away from a draft, etc. He made a plea in front of a school organization to all those who thought they had futures in the military not to try and cheat it out, I laughed, but it's true. He's been in ROTC since freshman year, and that was before it was as highly focused in Iraq. Now, he's reconsidering how much he thinks he's wasted by offering that much of himself to something he no longer supports. It's sad and somewhat proof that people who sign up may not have the same feelings (like you said) when it's time to own up to agreements.
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Sure, join the military and die for your education.
As a local businessman, my employees and I have participated in a city program where the city pays half of training costs, while I pay the other half. Zero cost to the employee. No military involved. And this is but one single example of a (non-military) government program.
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