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Old 01-09-2008, 08:31 PM   #1
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Ron Paul's mission: The Republic of Freedom

He's the only Republican candidate who wants to end U.S. involvement in Iraq and withdraw the U.S. Navy from the waters off the Iranian coast. He wants America to pull out of the United Nations, NATO, the International Criminal Court, and most international trade agreements. He wants to abolish FEMA, end the federal war on drugs, get rid of the Department of Homeland Security, send the U.S. military to guard the Mexican border, stop federal prosecutions of obscenity, eliminate the IRS, end most foreign aid, overturn the Patriot Act, phase out Social Security, revoke public services for illegal immigrants, repeal No Child Left Behind, and reestablish gold and silver as legal tender.

Paul says "To maintain our current account deficit we borrow almost $3 billion a day," he tells me. "It's unsustainable. It will end. And it's going to end in a worse fashion than it did in 1979 and 1980, when interest rates went to 21 percent." "Nobody seems to care," "It will slip back into a government run by tyrants, where you can't go from one state to another -- you have to show your papers. It already exists on the airlines."

The above is an excerpt from an article written by Michael Scherer.

He also wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and the income tax. Fair warning. Wake up. The time is coming real soon when you're all gonna hafta choose sides. The main stream media, the establishment and their lacky vote counters have enslaved us and turned our once great nation into a socialist/fascist police state. This aint a game, it's for real and it's gonna get ugly. If ya dont support Dr. Paul you will be complicit in this gravest of crimes. Freedom or tyranny? Choose wisely.
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:21 PM   #2
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It bothers me that Ron Paul is 72 years old. I worry that he'll be in diapers halfway through his first term, or that he'll simply succumb, leaving us with some dip**** vice president as the Commander in Chief. Reagan holds the distinction of being the oldest elected president at the ripe old age of 69. He served two terms and left at age 77, so I guess it can be done, but there have also been murmurings that he was already suffering the beginnings of Alzheimer's while in office. Not exactly the guy you want with his finger on "the button". Wait, let me guess, Ron Paul is going to do away with the button.

I like what the guy is saying, but what he's proposing is ridiculous. Even if he was elected, the office of the presidency doesn't hold enough power to accomplish everything he proposes to do. I agree with him in principle, hell, I might even vote for him, but I'm not going to hold my breath that much will change. I certainly wouldn't get myself all worked up defending the guy.
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It bothers me that Ron Paul is 72 years old. I worry that he'll be in diapers halfway through his first term, or that he'll simply succumb, leaving us with some dip**** vice president as the Commander in Chief. Reagan holds the distinction of being the oldest elected president at the ripe old age of 69. He served two terms and left at age 77, so I guess it can be done, but there have also been murmurings that he was already suffering the beginnings of Alzheimer's while in office. Not exactly the guy you want with his finger on "the button". Wait, let me guess, Ron Paul is going to do away with the button.

I like what the guy is saying, but what he's proposing is ridiculous. Even if he was elected, the office of the presidency doesn't hold enough power to accomplish everything he proposes to do. I agree with him in principle, hell, I might even vote for him, but I'm not going to hold my breath that much will change. I certainly wouldn't get myself all worked up defending the guy.
"Defendin the guy"? Any goddamn day of the week, and you can count on that! But more than that, I'll defend his messege, and you should be doin the same. So what exactly does it take to get you "all worked up", Morpheus? If the current state o' affairs aint enough to do that then you've been asleep at the switch. Its all goin down the schitter and you people are too phuckin brainwashed to realize it. I'm disgusted with the lot of ya. There aint nothin "ridiculous" about his proposals, and the fact that you'd even say as much shows just how far gone ya are. As for the extent of executive authority, past presidents have done far more unbelievable things with executive orders than what Dr. Paul proposes. He'll take it as far as he can and then We The People will do the rest. Ya let me down, man...I expected better from ya.
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Easy Al, you'll get too worked up and you'll be tasting that Saltillo platter in the back of your throat all night! I like what RP has to say. I've admitted as much, but it's not as if you can expect that he'll take office, wave his magic wand, and *poof* no more income tax, no more war, no more this or that. It's great to say, "Hell, I think we should all have wings so we can fly about free of our earthly cares"-that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I agree the current state of affairs is rotten. It's gotten so bad that people will believe in fairy tales. I haven't lost any respect for you, Al, for believin' in such. It's still a free country right? Where we can have different opinions and beliefs without being bullied or oppressed by others? That's what RP preaches isn't it Al? More personal freedom? I think you trampled all over mine! But, you're still A-OK in my book.
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I'm sorry Morph, forgive me. I had already decided to come back and tone down my last post, hopin nobody, especially you, had read it yet, but I was too late. They say ya should "never go grocery shoppin when you're hungry"...well "never post when you're pissed off" is probably sage advice also. You're ok in my book too, because I know for a fact I wouldnt have reacted as well as you did to my last post. Listen, it's that serious, people. Ya hafta resist the urge to swallow the complete and utter bullschit the one party with two heads and the main stream media is rammin down your throats. Take a stand with Dr. Paul, help him help you for Christ's sake! He's the only man they dont own, the only one who can turn this clusterphuck around before it's too late, and that scares the bastards half to death. They're pullin out all the stops, doin anything and everything they can to stop him, and I'm beggin ya all not to let that happen...I shouldnt hafta do that because it's your freedom, the fate of your nation that's at stake and because you're all old enough to know better than to take the "wait and see" approach on somethin as important as this, but I'm not too proud to beg if that's what it takes. Wanna know what the "wait and see" approach'll get ya? Exactly what it's always gotten ya...a choice between the lesser of two evils (which really aint a choice at all) and more of the same...that's what! Well it doesnt hafta be that way this time, because this time we have a man of true integrity to champion our freedom! He's the taxpayer's best friend, the businessman's best friend, the gunowner's best friend...next to your gun, he's the best friend an American can have! So seize the day! Get over to www.ronpaul2008.com and donate, get out there and wave signs on 70th, do whatever ya can to take your country back from the oligarchs. Here's your big chance to peacefully reign in our out-of-control government and put it back where it belongs, subordinate to We The People. Cuz hear me now and believe me later, if ya let this opportunity pass ya by you'll regret it for the rest of your lives.

As for the anonymity, phuck it! Whatever anyone has in mind for me and mine I'll give it back in spades! This fight's been a long time comin, Dr. Paul has kindled the righteous fire of freedom and liberty in my heart and I'm as ready as I'll ever be so bring it, ya ratphucks!
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Even if he was elected, the office of the presidency doesn't hold enough power to accomplish everything he proposes to do. I agree with him in principle, hell, I might even vote for him, but I'm not going to hold my breath that much will change. I certainly wouldn't get myself all worked up defending the guy.
Come on Morpheus.. just give me more Cowbell !! No. Ron Paul can't do everything he'd like to do.. he knows this.. he understands the division of powers better than any candidate out there. But would you rather have someone running things.. who's looking out for we the people.. as he has done his whole career.. or one of these other folks who's gonna give us more of the same ol' same ol' same ol' Be it democrat or republican.. from where I stand they all plan on spending us into oblivion, and bringing us bigger government.

This is our opportunity.. to try and get big government off our back.
The alternative.. I don't even want to go there.
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Discussions like the one in this thread (not just the spelling/grammar) are the reason people won't vote for Ron Paul:

>He's the only man they dont own

>do whatever ya can to take your country back from the oligarchs

>Its all goin down the schitter and you people are too phuckin brainwashed to realize it.

Normal people read stuff like this and are turned off by a candidate that is so fervently supported by nutjobs.
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uh oh, sounds as if RP's republic doesn't include blacks, jews, gays, or people with AIDS.
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...the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.

Source: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...5-4532a7da84ca
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one more because this is a definition of libertarian I have not heard before

The people surrounding the von Mises Institute--including Paul--may describe themselves as libertarians, but they are nothing like the urbane libertarians who staff the Cato Institute or the libertines at Reason magazine. Instead, they represent a strain of right-wing libertarianism that views the Civil War as a catastrophic turning point in American history--the moment when a tyrannical federal government established its supremacy over the states. As one prominent Washington libertarian told me, "There are too many libertarians in this country ... who, because they are attracted to the great books of Mises, ... find their way to the Mises Institute and then are told that a defense of the Confederacy is part of libertarian thought."
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ok last one-new RP slogan: bring back the closet!

Like blacks, gays earn plenty of animus in Paul's newsletters. They frequently quoted Paul's "old colleague," Representative William Dannemeyer--who advocated quarantining people with AIDS--praising him for "speak[ing] out fearlessly despite the organized power of the gay lobby." In 1990, one newsletter mentioned a reporter from a gay magazine "who certainly had an axe to grind, and that's not easy with a limp wrist." In an item titled, "The Pink House?" the author of a newsletter--again, presumably Paul--complained about President George H.W. Bush's decision to sign a hate crimes bill and invite "the heads of homosexual lobbying groups to the White House for the ceremony," adding, "I miss the closet." "Homosexuals," it said, "not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." When Marvin Liebman, a founder of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom and a longtime political activist, announced that he was gay in the pages of National Review, a Paul newsletter implored, "Bring Back the Closet!" Surprisingly, one item expressed ambivalence about the contentious issue of gays in the military, but ultimately concluded, "Homosexuals, if admitted, should be put in a special category and not allowed in close physical contact with heterosexuals."
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Like blacks, gays earn plenty of animus in Paul's newsletters. They frequently quoted Paul's "old colleague," Representative William Dannemeyer--who advocated quarantining people with AIDS--praising him for "speak[ing] out fearlessly despite the organized power of the gay lobby." In 1990, one newsletter mentioned a reporter from a gay magazine "who certainly had an axe to grind, and that's not easy with a limp wrist." In an item titled, "The Pink House?" the author of a newsletter--again, presumably Paul--complained about President George H.W. Bush's decision to sign a hate crimes bill and invite "the heads of homosexual lobbying groups to the White House for the ceremony," adding, "I miss the closet." "Homosexuals," it said, "not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." When Marvin Liebman, a founder of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom and a longtime political activist, announced that he was gay in the pages of National Review, a Paul newsletter implored, "Bring Back the Closet!" Surprisingly, one item expressed ambivalence about the contentious issue of gays in the military, but ultimately concluded, "Homosexuals, if admitted, should be put in a special category and not allowed in close physical contact with heterosexuals."
Could this be true ? Another David Duke ? Has anybody check snoops to see if this post will pass the test ? This could be a very dark day for RP supporters. I bet Al and LN can set the record straight
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Could this be true ? Another David Duke ? Has anybody check snoops to see if this post will pass the test ? This could be a very dark day for RP supporters. I bet Al and LN can set the record straight
you don't need to go to snopes. Turn on CNN. I think he may be able to get out of it. There were no bylines on the articles. It flies with me, but the rainbow coalition may have other ideas.
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Mike Huckabee spokeperson endorses Ron Paul



Slip of the tongue? Or subliminal thought.
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Here is RP's response

January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”


Seems like a reasonable explanation to me. Let's hope America buys it.
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