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Old 02-19-2007, 04:45 PM   #16
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>More births doesn't necessarily mean an increased ratio of birth defects, but more births to unhealthy/unfit mothers certainly does.

That requires a connection between unhealthy/unfit mothers and the likelihood of having children with "birth defects." That is sometimes the case and sometimes not, depending on the particular problem.
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Old 02-19-2007, 04:47 PM   #17
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Pregnancy has always been either a choice or an accident. It is birth that has recently (in terms of human history) become a legal and reasonable choice.
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Old 02-19-2007, 06:12 PM   #18
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>More births doesn't necessarily mean an increased ratio of birth defects, but more births to unhealthy/unfit mothers certainly does.

That requires a connection between unhealthy/unfit mothers and the likelihood of having children with "birth defects." That is sometimes the case and sometimes not, depending on the particular problem.
Do you really need to see data that proves women who spend their money on vitamins and doctor visits, as opposed to booze and crack, have healthier babies before you believe there's a correlation?

Edit: And it doesn't even have to be booze and crack...it can be anything the individual deems more important than health and hygiene. Said individual isn't going to have a healthy child if they sit in a chair eating Big Mac's all day either. Remember, over 32% of the American population is now considered obese.
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Old 02-19-2007, 06:35 PM   #19
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Your grouping people and do you have numbers on this ?

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Do you really need to see data that proves women who spend their money on vitamins and doctor visits, as opposed to booze and crack, have healthier babies before you believe there's a correlation?

Edit: And it doesn't even have to be booze and crack...it can be anything the individual deems more important than health and hygiene. Said individual isn't going to have a healthy child if they sit in a chair eating Big Mac's all day either. Remember, over 32% of the American population is now considered obese.
Do you think some races fill more of that gap than others or is it the entire population ? Maybe that is just how you feel and not facts which you seem very good at avoiding. From looking at your web site you do not seem to like much of anybody are you in the hate business ? Maybe you could tell us who is it that you "DO" like that would be a shorter list.
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Old 02-19-2007, 06:41 PM   #20
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Stupidity isn't a characteristic of any particular race. It's a chosen way of life....take you for instance. Someone who bases their entire life on their own interpretation of the writings contained in one book of pure fantasy devoid of any and all fact.

That's stupidity at it's finest. You being to blind to see the truth is just icing on the cake.
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Old 02-19-2007, 06:43 PM   #21
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>Do you really need to see data that proves women who spend their money
>on vitamins and doctor visits, as opposed to booze and crack, have healthier
>babies before you believe there's a correlation?

"Healthy babies" and "birth defects" (or lack thereof) can be very different things. Aortic valve stenosis is one of many "birth defects" that show up children whose mothers did all the "right" things as often as it shows up in the children of crack whores. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is an example of a birth defect that does correlate with maternal prenatal activity.

I have no idea what maternal activities correlate with autism, it's not something we ever worried about with our kids because my wife didn't have any vices (smoking, drinking, caffeine, etc.) during either pregnancy. Do you have any evidence to suggest that autism is caused (or contributed to) by maternal prenatal activity? If you do't then it's pretty foolish to make statements like the rise in the autism rate is "due to delinquent behavior resulting in abnormal family units...Teen pregnancy, single mothers, drug abusers..."

If you had to wager whether the typical single mother or pregnant teen of 2007 gets better or worse prenatal care than the typical middle-class housewife of 1940, where would you put your money?
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Old 02-19-2007, 06:52 PM   #22
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I do not think he will be able to understand that statement

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>Do you really need to see data that proves women who spend their money
>on vitamins and doctor visits, as opposed to booze and crack, have healthier
>babies before you believe there's a correlation?

"Healthy babies" and "birth defects" (or lack thereof) can be very different things. Aortic valve stenosis is one of many "birth defects" that show up children whose mothers did all the "right" things as often as it shows up in the children of crack whores. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is an example of a birth defect that does correlate with maternal prenatal activity.

I have no idea what maternal activities correlate with autism, it's not something we ever worried about with our kids because my wife didn't have any vices (smoking, drinking, caffeine, etc.) during either pregnancy. Do you have any evidence to suggest that autism is caused (or contributed to) by maternal prenatal activity? If you do't then it's pretty foolish to make statements like the rise in the autism rate is "due to delinquent behavior resulting in abnormal family units...Teen pregnancy, single mothers, drug abusers..."

If you had to wager whether the typical single mother or pregnant teen of 2007 gets better or worse prenatal care than the typical middle-class housewife of 1940, where would you put your money?
Well done Mr. Joepole Facts not emotions should and will rule the day not shooting from the hip emotions.
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Old 02-19-2007, 07:55 PM   #23
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Haha..."crackwhore"...thats hilarious! Its not just a lifestyle, its an occupation! How about "assistant crackwhore"? Even crackwhores have to pay their dues. Ok, show of hands...how many of you are crackwhores?
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:12 PM   #24
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"Healthy babies" and "birth defects" (or lack thereof) can be very different things. Aortic valve stenosis is one of many "birth defects" that show up children whose mothers did all the "right" things as often as it shows up in the children of crack whores. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is an example of a birth defect that does correlate with maternal prenatal activity.
Your view is to short sighted. Try thinking in terms of generations rather than in terms of mother/child.
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I have no idea what maternal activities correlate with autism, it's not something we ever worried about with our kids because my wife didn't have any vices (smoking, drinking, caffeine, etc.) during either pregnancy. Do you have any evidence to suggest that autism is caused (or contributed to) by maternal prenatal activity? If you do't then it's pretty foolish to make statements like the rise in the autism rate is "due to delinquent behavior resulting in abnormal family units...Teen pregnancy, single mothers, drug abusers..."
No, what's foolish is to expect a direct, mathematically predictable rise in the number of birth defects in relation to the increased number of births. There are entirely to many variables that didn't exist in previous years, NOT due to man made influences. How about the increase in traist specific to African Americans , or even hispanics....the new largest minority.

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If you had to wager whether the typical single mother or pregnant teen of 2007 gets better or worse prenatal care than the typical middle-class housewife of 1940, where would you put your money?
Did the typical single mother of 1940 have multiple sex partners? Experiment with drugs and/or alcohol? Did she work a physically demanding job or flip burgers part-time?

Seriously dude, do you REALLY think the modern single parent is in better health and therefore providing a better environment for her fetus simply because of progress in medical technology?
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:51 AM   #25
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Stupidity isn't a characteristic of any particular race. It's a chosen way of life....take you for instance. Someone who bases their entire life on their own interpretation of the writings contained in one book of pure fantasy devoid of any and all fact.



That's stupidity at it's finest. You being to blind to see the truth is just icing on the cake.
For a smashed brain being stupid comes easy.

So Mr. "Confirmed Catholic" you make fun of the Bible and and your for abortion and you live in the cartoon world You do hate blacks, gays and many others from looking at your web sit. Hot, cold, hot , cold and hot around the collar all the time. Now that is stupidity at it's low point
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>Seriously dude, do you REALLY think the modern single parent is in better health and therefore providing a better environment for her fetus simply because of progress in medical technology?

Yes I do.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:49 AM   #27
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>Seriously dude, do you REALLY think the modern single parent is in better health and therefore providing a better environment for her fetus simply because of progress in medical technology?

Yes I do.
Well that would be incorrect. Medicine fights disease, they doesn't improve health.

Pills aren't better than vegetables.
Dieting isn't better than exercise.

After all, isn't one of the suspected causes of Autism all the immunization shots (modern medicine) we give our children? While not a proven fact, even the CDC supports continued research in this area:

Vaccines and Autism Theory

At a glance: The weight of currently available scientific evidence does not support the hypothesis that vaccines cause autism. [b]We recognize there is considerable public interest in this issue, and therefore support additional research regarding this hypothesis
. CDC is committed to maintaining the safest, most effective vaccine supply in history.[/i]
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:59 AM   #28
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For a smashed brain being stupid comes easy.

So Mr. "Confirmed Catholic" you make fun of the Bible and and your for abortion and you live in the cartoon world You do hate blacks, gays and many others from looking at your web sit. Hot, cold, hot , cold and hot around the collar all the time. Now that is stupidity at it's low point

Or maybe you're just to stupid to realize that you can't judge an individual based on one aspect of their life.....say an internet persona for instance.

Does being a confirmed Catholic also mean I am a Christian?
Does being pro-choice mean I cannot be a right-wing extremist?
Does supporting law over religion mean I must support Socialism over Democracy?

Can you hear me all they way back there in the 50's?
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Not just one approach can fix a problem. A combination of diet, exercise, veggies and pills as needed can do wonders. Look what penicillin did to life expectancy
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A suspected cause of rising autism rates was the use of thiomersal (a mercury-containing preservative) in vaccinations, especially vaccinations that were packaged together into one shot. Study after study showed that there was no link between thiomersal and autism, but the FDA had manufacturers stop using it. Most did in 1999, all did by 2002. Its removal from the market caused no change in the autism rate.

>Medicine fights disease, they doesn't improve health.

Incorrect, medical knowledge improves health. My wife took prenatal vitamins that were unknown and unavailable in 1940. We now know not to smoke or drink alcohol during pregnancy, something our great-grandmothers did without a second thought. Pregnant women used to be told to sleep on their backs. now we know this is bad advice.

>Pills aren't better than vegetables.

Depends on the pill and the vegetable. To get the recommended about of prenatal folic acid that comes in a pill my wife would have had to eat 4 or 5 pounds of spinach a day.

>Dieting isn't better than exercise.

Dieting is MUCH better than exercise. That's true in general, but especially true when referring to prenatal health. Although are important, what you do doesn't affect your baby nearly as much as what you consume. Once baseline activity levels are met (so you don't have high blood pressure, anemia, etc.) exercise doesn't really help the baby much.
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