You said post pros or cons, if you don't accept the cons, get the **** out.

I'm here. But now I'm leaving. Kbye

Do not be late for the bus son :laugh: You are the one that needs to move on boy. Time to go free your mind and look down on the little people. Life has some serious lessons for you :nono:

You know your quote could also apply to yourself as well. If you don't like all of the pros for Chrisitanity and all the positive folks on this board, why don't you get out and take YOUR POTTY MOUTH WITH YOU.:mad:

Gracious Isaac...this should get interesting! I am a Christian. However some will have you believe that is a bad word. What's happening to America when people stand for nothing!

Well spoken Sassy1 :clap: I am waiting for the call for a recount :laugh: oh it was a trick question and that is not fair :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

Well that's the point isn't it, Santabot.

How often do the words of a christian actually reflect their actions?

Jesus and his father are both omnipotent, yet couldn't prevent his own execution. Isaac asks for pros and cons yet immediately ridicules anyone posting a con.

No one said it was a trick question. Your intention to divide the non Christian vote hasn't "tricked" anyone.

We're merely waiting to see what conclusion you've drawn to see how you will manipulate the data.

He choose not to prevent his execution....read your bible.

Christians words and actions often reflection each other. You just choose not to see it and you choose to expect that they should be perfect.

I've read the Bible.

Seems to me a man that can walk on water and heal the sick could come up with a better way of saving the world than by allowing himself to be crucified. And don't even get me started on God...the being who created the Universe with the snap of a finger chose the only salvation of man to be through the extreme and brutal suffering of his only child?

Brain it is OK not to believe in God or anything else. It is not OK to lampoon Christ :nono: Will you give a answer to the question that has been ask many times of you ??? Do you think that your Christian family is scum as you have called all other Christians ??? You say you would like to MAKE Christians admit they are wrong ! Do you think you have made any head way with that on this board ? The fact is you are doing just the opposite which is make people read their Bible and stick to their guns.

Brainsmasher, you assume too much in your statement "yet couldn't prevent his own execution". Of course he could. But that was not God's plan now was it? God's plan was something that satan did not expect. Satan assumed too much, and lost a great deal when God gave his only son for us, to establish a new covenant with man. What you see as an execution, others see as a victory in the most important battle in human history. Read the book, satan lost that day. big time.

1. It's perfectly alright to say anything I want as long as it's not a threat of harm against another individual. It's call the First Amendment.

2. I already answered the question and had a brief discussion on the subject with either TBelle or Pocahontas...I forget which now. Either go back and look yourself or start paying attention on the first go around.

3. 4 votes non-christian votes....that's about 23.5% of the participants...considerably higher than the national average. You tell me if I've made any headway.

4. Reading the Bible is all it takes for most sane individuals to realize it's a work of fiction. We have similar goals whether you believe it or not.

You're god is omnipotent and the devil is powerless to stop him, why not just snap his fingers like he did when creating the universe instead of having his only son executed in quite possibly the most notoriously evil way of being put to death ever conceived by man?

I'm still here after all of the bull**** I have to deal with from all of you guys, aren't I? Same with Brain. We can deal, you can't, you will actually use ignore or just not read my posts because you can't handle anyone in opposition to yourself. There is no "right" way to conduct things, get over not being the center of the world, you all have as much "wrong" with you as you believe I do.

"God's plan" rewards abortions, murderers, drunk drivers, suicides, thieves, liars, terrorists, and anyone else who makes a decision.. but the decision is already made out for everyone, isn't it? In "God's plan". Do you people even think these irrational thoughts out before taking them to heart?

It is your right to post what you think brain.
You have never in any post come out and said what you think of your Christian family ???
You have made no head way and you know it. The people that voted as they did you had nothing to do with :laugh: now that is most laughable :laugh:
As far as the Bible Sir it is your choice to not agree as most of this world does. I choose to believe because I have spent many years trying as you to disprove it and in the process I have come to totally believe in it. There is still time so pick up the tools and try to spend some time disproving it instead of attacking it that is all. Brain that is my opinion and you are most welcome to yours Sir.
Isaac

Then why don't you read my peaceful address to the board like I posted a week+ ago? If you had, you would know my intentions for coming here, I'm also not out for trouble, but when somebody threatens me with opposing views (just like you get threatened when I say something you disagree with) I stand up for it, so do you and others, but sometimes you just try to get mediation in it instead of fighting your own battles. The bible can't protect you all of the time, do some of your own thinking.

Sorry for replying after a quote not addressed to myself.

Good question. The answer is simple. God abides by God's laws and satan doesn't. So God had to figure out a way to achieve victory while still keeping his word. While satan is not concerned with keeping his word, much less God's Word. He is a law breaker through and through seeking to defy God.

I think we all want to break laws and defy the authorities at some point in our lives. (usually our younger years) I used to race cars and motorcycles and it felt good breaking laws and in essence giving the fingers to cops for writing me tickets in the past. So I can relate. God doen't keep me from learning my lessions the hard way, even through that is not his preferred method for me.

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Not only did I come right out and say how I felt, I clarified the statement, hence the "brief conversation". Sorry , I don't even remember the topic that was under or I'd look for you by this point since you obviously refuse to look for yourself.
Actually Anime would have probably voted the same, but would never have come out and expressed his non christian views had I not asked him directly. I'll take a confession over turning the other cheek in order to avoid a conflict as a victory if I so choose, just like if he chose to attend church and just listen, you and every other christian would consider that a victory.
As I've stated before. Only 1/3 of the world is christian, then people like you start eliminating Mormons, snake handlers (Pentecostals), Amish and the Quakers, then that number gets smaller and smaller. Considerbly less than "most of this world", genius.
I agree completely, the difference between you and I is that "god made it that way" without tangible evidence OF a god simply isn't sufficient enough to satisfy my curiosity.

I'm not trying to "disprove" the existence of your god anymore than you try to disprove the existence of Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny.....it's a given

aaahhh..but i thought all was fair;)

And again, an all knowing and all powerful being couldn't come up with a better solution than having his only child brutally tortured and executed at the hands of a bunch of filthy apes?

Brain I have found the thread of truth and you young man are still looking and you will know it if you can find it. It is not for everyone and I am OK with your play acting the negative side it has to be and you legion is very large for a very short time so have a good ride friend and it is not the fall it is that very quick stop ;)

Likewise, it's not that you believe, it's that you continually condemn those who do not.

Brain I believe there is a difference between condemning and disagreeing. You don't seem to understand the difference between the two.

Not without turning into an outlaw he coundn't (evidently), you are correct. That was the plan. Maybe it took such a plan to trick satan. Who woulda thought...... ;)

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There does seem to be a glitch in his hard drive :laugh:

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Good point Ms Belle. The difference is between "contructive critisism" and "b!tching". With the first, the person with a differing opinion also has a new solution in mind. While b!tching is just that - pointing out a problem while providing no solutions. Just pointing out you are wrong and life sucks and there is nothing you can do about it.

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Isaac

[quote=rhertz]Good question. The answer is simple. God abides by God's laws and satan doesn't. So God had to figure out a way to achieve victory while still keeping his word. While satan is not concerned with keeping his word, much less God's Word. He is a law breaker through and through seeking to defy God.

Good info, rhertz. God will never sacrifice character for comfort. It's the learning process that molds the character.

[quote=Sheba] What a great couple of post here. Sheba your calm strong voice is a good thing to steady the storm thank you :clap:

Garsh!! I'm truly humbled. Just trying to live out loud.:o

[quote=Sheba] Nodding, the big question for me personally is this? Would I do the same as He did? Maybe I would and maybe I wouldn't pass that test of faith by putting true discomfort to the test. I hope I never have to find out, to that extent. Heh, I doubt I would pass that degree of test. But on the otherhand, without being put to the test at some level, how do you know who you really are? Or what you can do?

I do believe this. Raising a family or running a company is uncomfortable at times. Even downright painful. But I do it, and with a smile on my face. Even when I don't feel like it. I don't even know why, which means that it became second nature. This means that something greater than I am has "soaked in" to me, and I am very happy even though I have never worked so hard or been in so much pain before. It seems to me that even "paradise on earth" is a relative thing.

[quote=rhertz] Those are powerful words and concepts. Very encouraging to me personally! Here's a quote I like: When the voice and the vision on the inside become more profound, and more clear and loud, than the opinions on the outside, you've mastered your life (Dr. John Demartini) That's living loud, and you've got that!!

[quote=Sheba] Thank you Sheba even though that post was squarely pointed at Brainsmasher to answer his question in the most accurate way I know how.

Re: That's living loud, and you've got that!!

Hehehe, dunno about that, but I might have to read this one again in the morning while I'm dragging myself out of bed. Not an easy thing to do anymore.... I need the motivation. Thanks again.

[quote=rhertz] You're so welcome The words for BS are good ones, but others are always watching & listening & reading to see how we handle things. I appreciate the character in your words.

As far as morning - it's filled with new mercies - Got to get out of that bed to catch as many as possible. That's why I love mornings - early is great!! :clap:

[quote=rhertz] Get that puppy up & moving!! Good things waiting as the day unfolds!!:laugh:

So what you are saying is that your all powerful and all knowing omnipotent god, DOES in fact have limitations placed on his "powers".

Interesting, because that's basically the exact opposite of what you've been preaching for the last 3 months.

Telling someone their time on this world is short and the fall is going to hurt isn't "disagreeing" with them.

Even YOU aren't that stupid, so stop acting like I am.