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BrainSmashR 06-11-2007 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rhertz
LOL, ya think? :D

A famous quote from Brainsmasher, "numbers matter only in quantifiable measurements"

And a famous quote I once heard from my A/C repairman "if you ain't measurin', then your're guessin'".

It's those darn unquantifiable measurements that always come back to git cha! :D

The number itself IS insignificant because:
a) It's ALL based on an estimate.
b) The bill affects all students under the age of 19.

The argument is that Joe insists on omitting 5 schools from his total because I guessed at the total of number of members in the largest group, in my area, to be affected. I in no way shape, or form indicated that these were the only students affected by the proposed bill, nor does the term "only" even appear in my post, not to mention had you actually read the story, you would have already known exactly who all would be affected by this bill.

You patting him on the back for said action shows that you didn't read the entire thread....period.

joepole 06-11-2007 10:03 AM

Again:

I know you didn't say this bill affected only Freshmen (nobody, to my knowledge) has) but you did say that 9,000 Freshmen come to Natchitoches every year, which was wrong. Which is why I corrected it.

>AGAIN, not one single time did the term "only" appear in my post.

I was using the context of the entire post like a normal human. I assumed when you said "9,000 Freshmen" you meant "9,000 Freshmen." You have since clarified that "9,000 Freshmen" really means "9,000 Freshmen, Sophomores, rodeo clowns, ninjas, and Vietnamese fishermen."

piemaker720 06-11-2007 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole
Again:

I know you didn't say this bill affected only Freshmen (nobody, to my knowledge) has) but you did say that 9,000 Freshmen come to Natchitoches every year, which was wrong. Which is why I corrected it.

>AGAIN, not one single time did the term "only" appear in my post.

I was using the context of the entire post like a normal human. I assumed when you said "9,000 Freshmen" you meant "9,000 Freshmen." You have since clarified that "9,000 Freshmen" really means "9,000 Freshmen, Sophomores, rodeo clowns, ninjas, and Vietnamese fishermen."

Touche' Joe. I like that.

BrainSmashR 06-11-2007 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
Again:

I know you didn't say this bill affected only Freshmen (nobody, to my knowledge) has) but you did say that 9,000 Freshmen come to Natchitoches every year, which was wrong. Which is why I corrected it.

On once again, for at least the second time today, I've never argued your corrections or insinuated they were incorrect in anyway. The argument is and always has been your insistence that I the proposal only affected freshman because that's the only group I used in my example.

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>AGAIN, not one single time did the term "only" appear in my post.

I was using the context of the entire post like a normal human. I assumed when you said "9,000 Freshmen" you meant "9,000 Freshmen." You have since clarified that "9,000 Freshmen" really means "9,000 Freshmen, Sophomores, rodeo clowns, ninjas, and Vietnamese fishermen."
NO, I have clarified that freshmen are not the only group of individuals affected by the proposed bill and that I never implied that they WERE the only people affected by this proposed bill. Had you actually used the context of the entire post, you would have realized exactly who all will be affected by this proposal if it becomes law.

This is just another example of an apparently habitual and uncontrollable desire to tell lies. Is anyone surprised the resident christians find your skill in said tactic to be so fascinating?

joepole 06-11-2007 02:37 PM

>your insistence that I the proposal only affected freshman because that's the only group I used in my example.*

I never** said you did, all I did was correct your way-off estimate of the number of Freshmen and then correct your "there used to be more" defense of your original incorrect estimate.

Again, at no point did I ever claim that you said the law only affected Freshmen.

I did also give the umber of affected college students (which was also way under 9,000) but that was only after you began changing the subject/scope of the discussion.




*I'm assuming that's supposed to read "...that I said the proposal only affected..."

**not once in this entire thread

joepole 06-11-2007 02:39 PM

>Had you actually used the context of the entire post, you would have realized exactly who all will be affected by this proposal if it becomes law.

I read the linked article, which is why I later gave the total number of under-21 (I realize the law says under 20, but I don't have those stats, sot the ones I do have will have to do because they are close enough for estimation) students an NSU. That was when we were discussing this proposed law, though, not when i was correcting your erroneous population estimates.

Isaac-Saxxon 06-11-2007 04:06 PM

I tend to not trust numbers that are even like 300 people were killed ? Not 299 or 301 killed :eek: I do agree that 9000 freshmen would be very erroneous :rolleyes: and a bit "obtuse" :D

joepole 06-11-2007 05:00 PM

I recognized that 9,000 was an estimate, not an exact figure, so anything close wouldn't have spawned a correction. When I looked up the correct number, however, it was MUCH less than that so i figured I'd tell everybody what it was.

Then the...unpleasantness...happened.

LateNight 06-11-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
Then the...unpleasantness...happened.

LMAO.. that's the funniest thing I've heard all day. :peace::)

BrainSmashR 06-11-2007 05:17 PM

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>your insistence that I the proposal only affected freshman because that's the only group I used in my example.*

I never** said you did, all I did was correct your way-off estimate of the number of Freshmen and then correct your "there used to be more" defense of your original incorrect estimate.
post #27:
I never said it did, You were the one that specified Freshmen-only:

You have clearly accused me of specifying freshmen only. Below you will see me clarify this statement, at which point you accuse me of contradicting myself.

Post #29:
>I did not specify freshman only, I gave you an estimate of the number of incoming freshman.

If you cannot see that contradiction then I am genuinely surprised you have the motor function to operate a computer keyboard.


And below, we see you tell the same lie again.

post #34:
See there it is, again. You most certainly specified Freshmen only:

You clearly accusing me, again, of specifying freshmen only.



Shall I continue?

BrainSmashR 06-11-2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
>Had you actually used the context of the entire post, you would have realized exactly who all will be affected by this proposal if it becomes law.

I read the linked article, which is why I later gave the total number of under-21 (I realize the law says under 20, but I don't have those stats, sot the ones I do have will have to do because they are close enough for estimation) students an NSU. That was when we were discussing this proposed law, though, not when i was correcting your erroneous population estimates.


Quite right, you also continually omitted 5 additional schools, from your numbers.

Look dude, if all you were doing was correcting my numbers, this thread would be over, because I've admitted more than once that my numbers were inflated, but you're lying and I've given you 2 examples above AND an example of your use of propaganda based on those lies.

Isaac-Saxxon 06-11-2007 05:46 PM

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obtuse has let his mouth over load his ..........

Attachment 727

will he ever learn when he is playing out of his league ??? :nono: :nono:

joepole 06-11-2007 06:03 PM

My numbers were for NSU, so I didn't omit anyone.

>Look dude, if all you were doing was correcting my numbers, this thread would be over,

Apparently not, homey, because that's what I did, yet here we are still arguing about it.

Also, do you even know what "propaganda" means? Hint: it's not by definition (indeed, it usually isn't in practice) a bad thing.

BrainSmashR 06-12-2007 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by joepole
My numbers were for NSU, so I didn't omit anyone.

Graduate School and Scholars College students are not listed as undergraduate. Even if your intention was "only" NSU, you've still omitted 2 entire schools affiliated with and located on NSU campus. I have made this statement more than once and have posted the entire list of schools within the city limits of Natchitoches that you omitted at least once.

And if you want to get technical about it, the Louisiana Schools is located on NSU campus as well, dorms, classes, every single bit of it.
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>Look dude, if all you were doing was correcting my numbers, this thread would be over,

Apparently not, homey, because that's what I did, yet here we are still arguing about it.
I have never argued your corrections and this has got to be about the 5th time I have stated that exact phrase in one form or another....homo err, "homey"
There's really no reason for this argument to reappear over and over again other than to perpetuate your little game, which I'm more than willing to continue....
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Also, do you even know what "propaganda" means? Hint: it's not by definition (indeed, it usually isn't in practice) a bad thing.
The utilization of propaganda to promote false ideas and beliefs is, always has been, and always will be, a bad thing.

And did you think I wouldn't notice your failure to address the blatant lies above, or shall we pretend that never happened?

joepole 06-12-2007 09:40 AM

>Graduate School and Scholars College students are not listed as undergraduate. Even if your intention was "only" NSU, you've still omitted 2 entire schools affiliated with and located on NSU campus.

Scholar's college is included, there are no graduate students (that I can find) under age 20.

>The utilization of propaganda to promote false ideas and beliefs is, always has been, and always will be, a bad thing.

That is true, but the utilization of propaganda to promote true ideas and beliefs is, almost always has been, and will almost always continue to be, a good thing.

>And did you think I wouldn't notice your failure to address the blatant lies above, or shall we pretend that never happened?

I'm not exactly sure what these supposed "blatant lies" are. I see yours, but I don't even see a listing of the ones I supposedly posted.

joepole 06-12-2007 09:44 AM

Interesting twist: I finally read the bill instead of just the article. It doesn't apply to college students or college teachers/professors.

joepole 06-12-2007 09:47 AM

Post by BrainSmashR

>It's all females, 19 and under I think it was, that are enrolled in school

It's actually all students of either gender, 18 and under, excluding colleges and universities.

BrainSmashR 06-12-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
>Graduate School and Scholars College students are not listed as undergraduate. Even if your intention was "only" NSU, you've still omitted 2 entire schools affiliated with and located on NSU campus.

Scholar's college is included, there are no graduate students (that I can find) under age 20.

Scholar's College is in fact a separate institution just like the Lab school, the Middle Lab school, and the Louisiana School which are all on NSU campus and I'm more than willing to bet you did not find information grouping them together.....however if you care to provide said reference, I'm all ears.
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>The utilization of propaganda to promote false ideas and beliefs is, always has been, and always will be, a bad thing.

That is true, but the utilization of propaganda to promote true ideas and beliefs is, almost always has been, and will almost always continue to be, a good thing.
Agreed, except you've chosen to utilize lies and deception and those are not characteristics of someone trying to do good.
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>And did you think I wouldn't notice your failure to address the blatant lies above, or shall we pretend that never happened?

I'm not exactly sure what these supposed "blatant lies" are. I see yours, but I don't even see a listing of the ones I supposedly posted.
Nor did I expect you to see them, but everyone else did.

joepole 06-12-2007 04:09 PM

>Agreed, except you've chosen to utilize lies and deception and those are not characteristics of someone trying to do good.

Incorrect. I simply supplied correct population figures.

>Scholar's College is in fact a separate institution just like the Lab school, the Middle Lab school, and the Louisiana School which are all on NSU campus and I'm more than willing to bet you did not find information grouping them together.

My data included the Scholar's college as part of NSU.

joepole 06-12-2007 04:10 PM

>Nor did I expect you to see them, but everyone else did

Then can everyone else fill me in on my blatant lies?

LateNight 06-12-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
Interesting twist: I finally read the bill instead of just the article. It doesn't apply to college students or college teachers/professors.

By far, this was the most intriguing/interesting post in this thread.
I was under the impression that it included college students/teachers as well.

Kind of makes this whole thread.. what's the word I'm looking for ?

:peace:

Texasbelle 06-12-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
obtuse has let his mouth over load his ..........

Attachment 727

will he ever learn when he is playing out of his league ??? :nono: :nono:

Those teeth remind me of somebody I know! You know the ONE don't you Isaac?

BrainSmashR 06-12-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole
>Nor did I expect you to see them, but everyone else did

Then can everyone else fill me in on my blatant lies?


They can't tell you anything you can't read...

BrainSmashR 06-12-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LateNight
By far, this was the most intriguing/interesting post in this thread.
I was under the impression that it included college students/teachers as well.

Kind of makes this whole thread.. what's the word I'm looking for ?

:peace:


I agree, but that's what happens when folks choose to argue people instead of topics. I too neglected to read the bill itself because someone was more interested in keeping the topic focused on me and my guess rather than what it should have been on. Of course, it's not like I didn't say NUMEROUS times you were just arguing for the sake of argument.

Isaac-Saxxon 06-12-2007 07:28 PM

Of course, it's not like I didn't say NUMEROUS times you were just arguing for the sake of argument. :laugh: :laugh:

Is this not the pot calling the kettle black :rolleyes:


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