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Isaac-Saxxon 04-12-2007 08:12 AM

Poor brain just can't quite understand nobody likes him
 
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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Seems to me your missing the point. The conversation was not about defending your beliefs to ME, but rather to zealot Christians like Isaac. In fact, I specifically stated "try telling Issac his god is just one in the crowd, nothing special and not any better than yours".

Now obviously the chances of his response being altered because of our open dialog have increased significantly, but one has to wonder why you'd change the subject in the first place, when you have so much faith your judgment of his character, but more importantly, what his response would be. Remember, he was calling folks (probably you) Socialist before my arrival.....I merely stepped in and showed everyone how the game is really played.:peace:

You poor guy just can't have a decent conversation with anybody. You act like a dog that has been beat to much. Were you abused as a child ? I hope you can get over it. If your not a socialist why do you get so mad about a word that is not a curse word ? Vile, rude, Anti-Christian and a bald face liar where did all this bitterness come from? Well where ever it came from take it back there and leave it. You know the Shreveport Times page could use someone like you so head on over there and stay. You have lost all credibility on this board and you are not welcome here so look at your points and even someone like you can tell you are as welcome as a terd in a punch bowl. Nothing smart nothing funny about you and your anti everything attitude offends everybody. Is there anybody on this board that will stand up for brain ? If so please post to this thread I would love to see who that might be ! Anybody on this board want to go to dinner with this freak ? Maybe time for a brain poll he does not seem to catch on very quick :nono: :nono:
Isaac

Pocahontas 04-12-2007 05:03 PM

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Well I REALLY wish I could find you some attendance or ticket sale numbers, however I have been unsuccessful this morning......but if you think after 12 years and with a 15 band line-up that they can't sell any tickets....that's your choice. You couldn't be any farther from the truth if you TRIED, but you are entitled to your own opinions..

BTW, are you using the quote button? Surely you've noticed by now that your attempts have been unsuccessful 100% of the time......

Okay I'll admit it I'm new to this whole computer game. Occasionally I may have hit a wrong button or 2 but obviously you can still read my posts.
Believe it or not I'm a rocker too just not a fan of Ozzy!

AnimeSpirit 04-12-2007 05:26 PM

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In fact, I specifically stated "try telling Issac his god is just one in the crowd, nothing special and not any better than yours".

You wanna know why I don't tell Isaac that, even know I have complete confidence in my faith. The answer is very simple really. BECAUSE IT'S RUDE!!! I guess I'm just not arrogant enough to point it out.

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 07:26 AM

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You wanna know why I don't tell Isaac that, even know I have complete confidence in my faith. The answer is very simple really. BECAUSE IT'S RUDE!!! I guess I'm just not arrogant enough to point it out.

When HE'S preaching about HIS god, is it also rude, or only when you defend your beliefs and I defend mine?

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocahontas
Okay I'll admit it I'm new to this whole computer game. Occasionally I may have hit a wrong button or 2 but obviously you can still read my posts.
Believe it or not I'm a rocker too just not a fan of Ozzy!


I didn't mean to imply that your posts were unreadable, just consistently incorrect and I was curious as to the cause.

...and I suspect our opinions of Ozzy are quite similar if you are indeed a rocker. I'll grieve over his passing because of his legendary status but I don't think I've ever actually bought an Ozzy or Black Sabbath CD/tape/record.....kinda light for my taste:D :D

AnimeSpirit 04-13-2007 09:17 AM

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When HE'S preaching about HIS god, is it also rude, or only when you defend your beliefs and I defend mine?

Him talking about God may be a little out of place in some locations and in some scenerios, but it's not exactly rude. Also, there is a difference between defending your beliefs and trying to cram it down other people's throat. Isaac and the other "zealots" (as you call them) have not even one time tried to say my beliefs are wrong. They have not even one time suggested that I should change my ways. And I have given them the same courtesy.

You, on the other hand, make all kinds of implications that God does not exist, that science is the only truth, and that religious people are stupid. THAT is persecution, my friend.

I am not a Christian like the others. Does this mean we all agree? No! We just don't benefit from convincing each other. Religion isn't about figuring out which one is right or wrong.

Isabella 04-13-2007 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Him talking about God may be a little out of place in some locations and in some scenerios, but it's not exactly rude. Also, there is a difference between defending your beliefs and trying to cram it down other people's throat. Isaac and the other "zealots" (as you call them) have not even one time tried to say my beliefs are wrong. They have not even one time suggested that I should change my ways. And I have given them the same courtesy.

You, on the other hand, make all kinds of implications that God does not exist, that science is the only truth, and that religious people are stupid. THAT is persecution, my friend.

I am not a Christian like the others. Does this mean we all agree? No! We just don't benefit from convincing each other. Religion isn't about figuring out which one is right or wrong.

:clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig:

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Him talking about God may be a little out of place in some locations and in some scenerios, but it's not exactly rude. Also, there is a difference between defending your beliefs and trying to cram it down other people's throat. Isaac and the other "zealots" (as you call them) have not even one time tried to say my beliefs are wrong. They have not even one time suggested that I should change my ways. And I have given them the same courtesy.

Actually we DID discuss polytheistic vs. monotheistic beliefs except the subject matter pertained to the Greek gods rather than Wiccan.

I'd like to see you put your beliefs on the line since you have so much faith in their tolerance, but it REALLY doesn't look like you have the desire to test it.

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You, on the other hand, make all kinds of implications that God does not exist, that science is the only truth, and that religious people are stupid. THAT is persecution, my friend.
How funny that the difference between education and persecution is the willingness of the "victim" to accept the truth. Cannot the same be said of trying to convert others or condemning a person to Hell because of his or her actions?


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I am not a Christian like the others. Does this mean we all agree? No! We just don't benefit from convincing each other. Religion isn't about figuring out which one is right or wrong.
O really, ask one of those "tolerant" christians if your beliefs are wrong or what their bible says about spreading the word of the lord.

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 01:05 PM

So how about it Issac... his belief, more or less, is that there are at least his two gods and that they may coexist alongside your one god for a total of at least 3 equal gods? (feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted anything, Anime)

Is he right or wrong?

AnimeSpirit 04-13-2007 01:47 PM

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So how about it Issac... his belief, more or less, is that there are at least his two gods and that they may coexist alongside your one god for a total of at least 3 equal gods? (feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted anything, Anime)

Is he right or wrong?

As I said, it's not about who is right or wrong and no matter what the case may be, it would be rude to debate that issue. Let me ask you a serious question. WHY is it necessary to put any of our beliefs on the line? If I were to do so on this board, for WHOM would I be doing it? It would not benefit me, my religion, or anyone else on this board. Therefore, I have no reason to.

You might believe I don't want to debate my beliefs because they are not as solid as I make them sound. Quite frankly, you can believe what you want. I do not put my beliefs on the line because: 1. I have no reason to. 2. It may offend someone who does not share my views. 3. Religion is just generally a touchy topic and its always best not to be the one to bring it up in the first place.

Let me summarize and I am going to make this known right now. These statements are absolute and my mind will NOT change. I will discuss my religious beliefs only when they have been solicited. I will not discuss my beliefs for the purpose of invalidating other religious beliefs. I will treat every possible religious belief, or lack thereof, as an equally correct choice for the person to whom it applies. If you, Brain, follow one or more of these examples, your rep might come back up some.

LateNight 04-13-2007 02:35 PM

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I will discuss my religious beliefs only when they have been solicited. I will not discuss my beliefs for the purpose of invalidating other religious beliefs. I will treat every possible religious belief, or lack thereof, as an equally correct choice for the person to whom it applies.

:goodpost2:

And gosh darn it... people like me. :)

:peace: Peace out all, TGIF

Isabella 04-13-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
As I said, it's not about who is right or wrong and no matter what the case may be, it would be rude to debate that issue. Let me ask you a serious question. WHY is it necessary to put any of our beliefs on the line? If I were to do so on this board, for WHOM would I be doing it? It would not benefit me, my religion, or anyone else on this board. Therefore, I have no reason to.

You might believe I don't want to debate my beliefs because they are not as solid as I make them sound. Quite frankly, you can believe what you want. I do not put my beliefs on the line because: 1. I have no reason to. 2. It may offend someone who does not share my views. 3. Religion is just generally a touchy topic and its always best not to be the one to bring it up in the first place.

Let me summarize and I am going to make this known right now. These statements are absolute and my mind will NOT change. I will discuss my religious beliefs only when they have been solicited. I will not discuss my beliefs for the purpose of invalidating other religious beliefs. I will treat every possible religious belief, or lack thereof, as an equally correct choice for the person to whom it applies. If you, Brain, follow one or more of these examples, your rep might come back up some.

Anime, you are so wise not be baited into his trap. I may not believe as you, but I respect you as a human being. You handle the brainboy very well. :clapbig: :clapbig:

AnimeSpirit 04-13-2007 03:13 PM

As far as I can tell, BrainSmashR is here to either push the scientific angle while simultaneously invalidating belief in a divine entity...OR...he is looking for someone who can provide him with a logical means of validating religion for him to grasp onto. His purpose here may be both of these. I'm just guessing based on what I've seen of his behavior, nothing more. With that said, here's my take.

The problem with trying to invalidate religious beliefs (especially those that are widely accepted) is that such behavior is not accepted in modern society. It is commonly viewed as an attack on religious freedom and is just not suitable for civilized conversation (the kind we try to encourage here on SBLive!). Personally, the whole religious discussion as a whole is best avoided.

As for his second purpose, Brain seems to seek someone who can logically validate religion to him. To be quite honest, if such a thing is possible by your standards, Brain, you're best bet is to speak with a certified clergyman of some kind or an authority on historical theology. These types of people would have much more in-depth and verifiable information than we could ever provide you with.

In short, the religious discussion is really getting stale and it's getting us nowhere. Minds are a difficult thing to change and attempting to change them by force will only create problems. If we avoid religious discussion, starting now, we'll probably see far fewer heated debates, less mud-slinging, and more new members willing to participate in our civilized conversations.

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
As I said, it's not about who is right or wrong and no matter what the case may be, it would be rude to debate that issue. Let me ask you a serious question. WHY is it necessary to put any of our beliefs on the line? If I were to do so on this board, for WHOM would I be doing it? It would not benefit me, my religion, or anyone else on this board. Therefore, I have no reason to.

It IS about the perception of who's right and who's wrong. Regardless of the statement being aimed directly at you or not, the belief in polytheism has already been shot down on this forum by the Christian community.

Simply put, they HAVE said you were wrong even though they were not speaking directly to you.

WHY it is necessary to put your beliefs on the line.....you have stated you believe christians to be tolerant of other religious beliefs....I have challenged you to test that theory because I know for a FACT people like Issac are not.

For whom would you be doing it? Well I think it's quite obvious only one of us is refusing to stand up for their beliefs based on a theory they are unwilling to put to the test.

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You might believe I don't want to debate my beliefs because they are not as solid as I make them sound. Quite frankly, you can believe what you want. I do not put my beliefs on the line because: 1. I have no reason to. 2. It may offend someone who does not share my views. 3. Religion is just generally a touchy topic and its always best not to be the one to bring it up in the first place.
I see, so when Christians "share" their beliefs, are they intentionally trying to offend others as has been alluded to of me when sharing my beliefs, or do they just not care about offending others?

I realize I'm asking you to speculate, but that's because I don't think you've thought out your stance on this issue very well.....not a knock against you, but against youth in general... Simply put, you're reason for believing they are tolerant is based on your refusal to engage in religious debate.
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Let me summarize and I am going to make this known right now. These statements are absolute and my mind will NOT change. I will discuss my religious beliefs only when they have been solicited. I will not discuss my beliefs for the purpose of invalidating other religious beliefs. I will treat every possible religious belief, or lack thereof, as an equally correct choice for the person to whom it applies. If you, Brain, follow one or more of these examples, your rep might come back up some.
Sorry, like the Christians, I don't believe there is room for multiple gods either (or one for that matter).

As someone's signature once read....I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not.

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LateNight
:goodpost2:

And gosh darn it... people like me. :)

:peace: Peace out all, TGIF


I reiterate

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I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not.

BrainSmashR 04-13-2007 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
As far as I can tell, BrainSmashR is here to either push the scientific angle while simultaneously invalidating belief in a divine entity...OR...he is looking for someone who can provide him with a logical means of validating religion for him to grasp onto. His purpose here may be both of these. I'm just guessing based on what I've seen of his behavior, nothing more. With that said, here's my take.

I have stated more than once I am willing to believe the second someone can produce undeniable proof of the existence of their god.
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The problem with trying to invalidate religious beliefs (especially those that are widely accepted) is that such behavior is not accepted in modern society. It is commonly viewed as an attack on religious freedom and is just not suitable for civilized conversation (the kind we try to encourage here on SBLive!). Personally, the whole religious discussion as a whole is best avoided.
1. People don't reach resolutions by avoiding controversial subjects.
2. I'm not trying to invalidate a fairy tale....I don't have to. The lack of evidence speaks for itself.
3. Viewing my opinion as an "attack" on your freedom to worship as you see fit is simply an incorrect assumption on your part and one solely shared by those who lack the means to validate their beliefs.

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As for his second purpose, Brain seems to seek someone who can logically validate religion to him. To be quite honest, if such a thing is possible by your standards, Brain, you're best bet is to speak with a certified clergyman of some kind or an authority on historical theology. These types of people would have much more in-depth and verifiable information than we could ever provide you with.
Been there, done that. I'm a confirmed Catholic and have met several "jail house preachers" through my inmate work crew. While they may not have the years of expirence that Isaac possesses, they have considerably more time "free time" on their hands to devote to study.
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In short, the religious discussion is really getting stale and it's getting us nowhere. Minds are a difficult thing to change and attempting to change them by force will only create problems. If we avoid religious discussion, starting now, we'll probably see far fewer heated debates, less mud-slinging, and more new members willing to participate in our civilized conversations.
Ahhh yes, let's pretend like we live in a perfect world and that controversial topics don't exist. After all, we don't want to step on any toes or stand out in the crowd in any way, shape, or form because someone might disagree and that will make me a target.

I don't feel like I even need to expound on how wrong that is....

but seeing as how you don't vote either, I can at least give you plus 5 for consistency.


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