We just havin' a little phun skoolin' ya there Neo.. Neo might stand for neophyte. (ducking) Or you may be The One. who knows.. Not me. But I do know that Cypher (Joe Pantolaino) was Guido the Pimp in Risky Business, one of my favorite old timey flicks.

Precisely! WHO, or WHAT God is we cant say. We can say only two things with utter certainty...that He exists, and that He is a force beyond our comprehension. All else is speculation.

Well, in your rationale, the word "God" seems to be merely a label for something that is otherwise unidentified. This is a very constricting definition for the name because other than knowing He is the creator, you don't know anything more. This rationale states that He created us, but what happened to Him after that? Is He still out there? Is He still creating other worlds? I may not understand your rationale entirely, but these seem to be easy questions you'd run into when purposing this rationale.

The point I was making earlier depends on the rationale that is shared by most mainstream religious practice who do attempt to identify God's existance here in the modern world of science and not so much what He was back when the world was created because, as you say, that is merely speculation that we will never know.

My analogy addresses the question, "How do we know God exists when we can't physically perceive Him?" The answer is that we know He exists the same way we know a single point in space exists even know we can't see it. We know there are dimenions of existance above and below us. This is part of quantum physics. However, we cannot see these dimensions because most of them fall outside of our perception and therefore cannot be measured. If God is in one of these other dimensions right now, then that would explain why we are having so much trouble "measuring Him," so to speak. Because we can't measure what does not have length, width, height, or duration (anything that is not within dimensions 2, 3, and 4).

If God is truly as omnipotent as most Christians believe, then I would not be a bit suprised if God himself were in the 10th dimension where He would have direct access to every point in time and space in every possible dimension there will ever be. However, mankind has not even mastered time travel yet and that doesn't happen until we master the 5th and 6th dimensions. This gives you an idea of just how much more God is than us.

It occurred to me
 

It's occurred to me, that this thread started off "Is Christianity in Trouble?" but it quickly turned into a "Prove God exists" thread. Which is a ridiculous point.

Now when someone says to me, "Is Christianity in trouble?" the first thing that comes to my mind is for example, these priests etc who have been caught, literally with their PANTS DOWN. Something else that I would want to consider, is attendance at churches UP or DOWN ?

We can never hope to quantify the Creator, regardless of how advanced our science becomes. To succeed in doing so would put man on an almost equal footing with Him. However, science is on the threshold of doing the next best thing with the "Theory of Intelligent Design". It is becoming apparent that the complexity of creation, of life, of reality, could NOT have occured randomly, that there MUST be a "designer" behind it all. A perceptible, cosmic prescience at work. In other words, our scientists are close to confirming empirically what the rest of us have already figured out.

Call me a rationlist or not. But I define God as the sole entity who can create life. If you think I am wrong, then prove me wrong. Create some life..., or name someone who has. Just one single cell organism, that's all I ask. If you can't demonstrate that someone besides God can create an amoeba or a single cell of algae, then you cannot replicate the experiment of creation, and therefore you cannot say one way or another.

Well, one thing leads to another, doesnt it? The question "Is Christianity in Trouble" naturally attracts those who deny the existence of God, which in turn attracts the proponents of His existence. Its germane to the topic.

Talking about the existance of God is closer to the topic than talking about Al getting a spanking from the ladies. :D Then again...

Hey Al, did the creation of your last offspring involve spankings? :laugh:

Ha! Reminds me of that old S&M joke. You know, the masochist says "hurt me", and the sadist says "no" ! GET IT?;)

I have a 16 y/o step son who adamently states he doesn't believe in God's existence. About a month ago, we were discussing it and finally I picked up some grass and asked him, "Can you make this?" He promptly said "No". I said, "Well neither can I. There is only one person who I believe can and unless you can name for me someone else who can create this grass in my hand I am going to believe that only God can." He promptly gave in and gave up the debate.

I recall my children telling me when they were in high school how many children claimed not to believe in God. I guess we are from a smaller town than Shreveport/Bossier and they had never come across anyone that didn't believe in God and if they did well no one said anything.

I honestly believe children say this to try to make a statement or to draw attention to themselves just like kids do body piercings, wear strange clothes or just try to be different to make people say OH MY GOD!

Using that example about grass, if Brain is out there I am curious to know his answer to that one.

Scarlett he will have an answer. LOL

TRUE! The good thing is there are more Christians here than those who are not. :clapbig:

Argued down a teenager....impressive.

BTW, anyone can grow grass, and a variety of it at that...

In fact, there's lot's of people in jail right now for growing things like "grass and weed"....is your god responsible for that too?

"Creation" is a theory, just like Evolution.....the difference is there is tangible evidence to support evolution while there is only 1 solitary source supporting your version of Creationism.

No, "magic" is what an irrational person would conclude.....Anyone who claims otherwise is merely indicating to which group they belong.

So your "god" could simply be an alien being/species beyond our comprehension and with power and knowledge that man could never hope to obtain, much less master. Not unlike the scientist "creating" life in a petri dish or a child and his ant-farm.

+5 for that one

Every offspring of every reproducing body on this planet, (plant and animal) is an example of creation. We even know how it's done, and have harnessed the ability to control it through a variety of physical and chemical means.

No dumbBrain, the question posed to him was "CAN HE CREATE THE GRASS AND GROW IT?. I must not have stated it quite as clearly to you as I did to him. Yes, anybody can grow some with some seeds previously left behind that were previously CREATED by our CREATOR. But if you have an example of someone who has created some grass out of thin air, I would like to know who that is. I have a need for a million dollars created out of thin air.:)

I agree there. Anyone can extract a seed from a plant and sow it to grow another, but no one can create seed (from thin air or otherwise).

You know a thought has occured to me. The Brain is absent again, it's the weekend, I wonder if he's having to serve some time on the weekends?

Prove what you say. Name someone who has created life, even a single cell organism. Just one cell of algae. Just one amoeba. Come on Brain, you are a smart guy. That ought to be easy if it isn't true but rather a theory. Prove Creation wrong by naming one single person who has created life before in lab. There are thousands of historical documents that offer considerable evidence that Creation is devine. Prove me wrong by offering substantial evidence that others (or nobody) can create life. What evidence do you have to offer?

Rhertz the Brain Fart has gone missing
 

He can not prove one bit of evolution all he can do is talk in circles. As long as this thread has run why not put it up for a vote or even better a poll as to who believes in the Bible and who believes in evolution or who believes in nothing ? Can you fix that rhertz ? I am sure he is off lurking on other forums and will be back to spew his venom so let us enjoy the quiet for the moment for before you know it that fart smell will be back on the board :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Isaac
This is a record thread for this board and the Brain Fart has a new record too and his rep is -180 wonder what people think of his post :rolleyes:

I can't help but express my opinion on this conversation.
Brain, why are you so against Christianity? Why does it matter to you what I or anyone else believes? I understand why we care what you believe. As a Christian we have an obligation to share what we believe so the non believer will be saved. We don't want to see anyone condemned to eternal fire. We want all non Christians to know all about God so they can make that choice to be saved. If when they die they are condemned to eternity in hell that is because of their decision. At least they had the information and could have chosen differently.
Also there was a witness to the creation of the Earth. That witness would be God. He created the heavens and the Earth and He told the prophets what to write. How do I know this? Pure faith. Salvation is mine because I believe without seeing. The ones that do not believe now will believe after seeing. Unfortunately, that will be too late.
The last thing I want to comment on is about the remains of Jesus. We already established that we believe God took His Son to heaven after resurrecting from death. When He was resurrected He was in His body. Therefore there would not be any bones as your evidence that He existed.
Did you know that Jesus is not the only person taken to heaven in their bodily form? He also took Enoch. Matthew 11:15.
You are right. I am jealous of my God. I don't want Him blasphemed or ridiculed. He's already been through that. He deserves to be loved and respected. You may turn into a Christian in the end. Prayers do wonders!

I would remind everyone that they are arguing with a guy that thinks man is more powerful than Mother Nature. Nuff said!

Yes a God send to the forum
 

That was a very nice post. I welcome you to the board and your faith seems very strong and that is a wonderful thing because I feel the same way.:clap: :clap: :clap:
God Bless
Isaac

Thats right, Al, man IS more powerful! If you dont believe me, you should come on down to the "White Swallow" in Nachitoches, where I work as a waiter/dancer/gloryhole attendant. Aw, I know...youre straight, unlike me. Too bad! Those smoothly muscled, oiled bodies, gyrating on the stage...just leaves me weak in the knees.:o

Oh good God Brain, you are such a flamin poofter! Go get your daily roto-rooter or whatever the hell it is and shut your hole.

Welcome to SBLive! always glad to hear from a new voice around here.
Yes, everyone here has been trying to help out ol' Brain, but to no avail.

Al dont waste your time with this Sodomite freak
 

This is just someones way of being a pain in the ass. His thoughts are sick so even if he is playing a game he is still a sick pup. Hey if you feel like it let the NRA out on him ;)
Isaac

Welcome to the board Interest Opinion!!!!!! It will be so good to have another person of faith here with us. We are looking forward to hearing from you!:clap:

Hear, hear to the new avatar welcome and get ready
 

I am glad you have posted so read and post I like to see people with strong faith on this board unlike the test tube folks that can not see the forest for the trees. Look for more post.
Isaac

Welcome to SBLive! You'll get use to Brain and his radical ideals. Just watch out for his dopplegangers! They can get a little wierd. ;)

I'm innocent! I swear! Why don't you believe me?
 

Chat live now with an alleged murder suspect who trolls the Internet for attention and sympathy. Is it so hard to understand why I do not believe in Christianity?

Oh my, please don't bring up that subject!

Isabella now that is a good avatar so be nice
 

Has anybody seen my buddy Brain ? I guess he is mad at me :confused: I think this Christianity thread made him scared so he just up and left :D
Isaac

I'm not more or less against Christianity than I am in the belief of any other imaginary beings. There just happen to be more Christians here than of any other faith. If someone was preaching the merits of Islam over here I'd treat them the same way
It doesn't, until your religion starts affecting your actions. Like calling people Socialist because they support separation of church and state, or drowning witches.
Blah, blah, blah, pure faith. I agree, all you have is pure faith. THAT'S the premise of my whole argument.
Yes, I know of the Bible....how do you know it's not fake? We already know the story was penned by a mere mortal who "claimed" to be divinely inspired and we already know it is scientifically impossible to replicate this action.
Another point I was trying to make earlier. Someone implying that calling you a zealot is "name calling" is like saying I'm calling a ham sandwich names simply by identifying it.

Or, the more likely scenario, I was out enjoying life and this beautiful weather instead of sitting in my basement playing on the computer and reading the Bible to myself.

You should try it sometime.....

Dear Brain
 

I spent the morning on the river watching the sun come up and catching fish and watching a pair of bald eagles. I do not live in a cave but enjoy life each and every day. Heck buddy I just missed you that's all. I knew you would be back and it is just not the same with out your post. I am glad you got some time off and enjoyed yourself. Be looking for more of your post.
Isaac-Saxxon:D
Oh one more thing. I read the Bible for you and it talked about you ! I prayed for you too. I am sure you will feel it one day just not time yet buddy.

I missed you Brain your posts are interesting as most will agree it keeps us all coming back here :D