Any smokers on the forum
Any smokers on the forum? Just curious. I'm tobacco free myself and really enjoying the smoke free restaurants.
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The smoking ban is one of the rare occasions where I am opposed to a law that really benefits me.
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Re: Regulation The I ching says.... >man is not happy working without regulation. If he has no restrictions nor limitations, he will create them!! How true....I just like it when "he" is "me".. :D |
I think you're confusing capitalism with free enterprise.
>Not really surprising from someone that campaigns for the right to beat off in public bathrooms. I had you pegged for a smoker though. Smoking, like jerking off, is gross when other people do it. I would rather not have it near me, but it shouldn't be illegal. |
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However, I do feel that smoking is one of those things that can hurt you. Even if you are not the one smoking. |
It is so much more pleasant to go into restaurants, grocery stores and public buildings and NOT have to breathe in someone's obnoxious smoke! If someone really has to smoke they should take it outside. I don't care for parents who smoke inside their homes or cars with their kids being subjected to 2nd hand smoke either!:nono:
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Regulations, regulations. Like has been said before.. Yes we need "laws". No I can't legally rob you, however, I should be free to do what I want as long as I cause you no harm. A restaurant owner should be allowed to create whatever type of establishment they want.. they should be allowed to have a smoke free environment, or allow smoking if they want.
The government goes about randomly setting restrictions like this, making these choices for us.. that's not how this is supposed to work. Half the time it doesn't make much sense.. Alcohol is legal, but I can't walk down the street and buy a bag of marijuana from my neighbor if I want to without fear of getting busted. They pass laws saying we have to wear motorcycle helmets, or can't smoke here or there, or can't buy beer on sundays. Sure smoking is bad for you, and riding without a helmet can be dangerous.. Drinking alcohol is bad for you and can be dangerous, however this IS legal ? It's this feeling that the government owns' your ass from cradle to the grave.. taxed to heck and back like they own you. The more we expect the government to restrict, regulate etc.. the BIGGER government gets. The bigger the government gets, the more freedoms you start to lose. |
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I am a business owner and the rules and taxes that are placed on me really make me mad. The government and unions are a ball and chain to business owners. I pay the bills and taxes so I call the shots on my property. I do not have smoking in my business but if someone wants to go outside I am ok with that but oh no some politician in Baton Rouge will not have that. If I am doing something the costumers do not like they will not come back. Free enterprise doing what it is suppose to do. |
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I'm with Pokie on this one. Smoke if you want, but choose your locations wisely so that we can all enjoy ourselves, not just the smokers. I'm not a smoker myself, never have been and not planning on becoming one. I don't know if it's necessary to pass laws around it, but people should be more courteous without the laws.
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I agree with you on most points. I hate taxes! I'm tired of footing the bill for wasteful welfare. I hate political pork, and I agree bigger government is a problem. But if the government did nothing to protect it's citizens, what kind of goverment would it be? Smoking and helmet laws, and to some extent alcohol and driving laws are not only about saving your a$$, but also about saving your a$$ money. Do you know how many millions of $$$ are spent caring for smoking related illnesses? What about long term care of brain injured motorcycle riders? Do you think that the majority of these people have insurance? They don't. |
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Sorry Pie, but it's well documented in the medical literature that smoking kills people. Second hand or passive smoke has also been proven to kill people. So to me, smoking in a car with the windows up and children in the car is at worst attempted murder, and at best child abuse. Now you may not have done this, but I have personally seen it many times. |
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If you are contributing to the degradation of a child's health or well being (physical AND emotional), you are abusing that child. Smoking near a child does exactly that. It may not be as extreme as physically beating the child, but it is abuse, nonetheless. Now, as I said before, I doubt we needs laws to govern this, but people should be this courteous (particularly to their own kids) without being told by the laws. If you want to toxify your body, that's your call and it is your right. However, it goes beyond your rights when you drag others into it against their will. |
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We talk about smoking and how bad it is that people do it for theiself and their kids. How many of us is guilty of giving these to ourself or our children? Should this also be considered abuse.? Obesity is a very big problem these days and how do our children become Obese?
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I agree with LateNight, whoever owns the business should be the one who decides whether to allow smokin. The only time I've really felt inconvenienced by the smokin ban was on the odd occassion I was at a bar. Seems to me that smokin and drinkin go hand in hand. Both are legal vices, both are potentially deadly, and both have been consumed in waterin holes since time began! I resent the hell out of the government stickin it's big nose where it dont belong.
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I have to agree with LN here, I think we are OVER legislated....Too many liberal judges legislating from the bench- The term "free country" means less and less all the time:rolleyes:
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http://www.ronjones.org/Weblinks/childobesity.html http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scri...sity_chil.html |
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>You can still smoke in dedicated bars Al (i.e. bars without restaurants)
I thought that was the old Shreveport law, but that the new state law banned it even in bars unless there was video poker. |
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TGIF ! |
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However, there are a few other major exceptions where smoking still is allowed: bars, casinos, horse racing tracks, off-track betting facilities, bingo halls, hotel rooms, tobacco stores, Mardi Gras ball facilities and assisted living and nursing home facilities where people have requested to be in smoking rooms. Also, customers can smoke on outdoor patios at restaurants, and prisoners can smoke in Louisiana's jails until 2009. source: http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5873851%20 |
Yep, if you read the statute, it clearly says just "a bar" is exempt.
And it is illegal in LA to smoke with a kid under 13 in the car, regardless of the windows being up or down. |
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I sure would not take my kids in a room or car full of smoke. This law does protect the kids and the parents should know better anyway.
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I would smoke if it were not a health issue.
Like a lot of folks my age, back in the 70's, I smoked socially. I really didn't inhale that much, but there was a certain convivialness to bars and night clubs in those days.
Smoking was part of a 'friendly socialness' to have along with you drink. I always liked the aroma of the first puff of a cigarette that was lit with lighter fluid (not propane). Very aromatic. Still we're better off without it. :rolleyes: |
Always like the smell of my uncles pipe burning. He had many different flavors to pick from.
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You can't smoke on the campus of Highland Hospital. It's funny to watch employees hike to this field behind it just to smoke. You know, I'd consider giving up such a nasty habit if it were so darned hard to do and knowing it will kill me. Obviously it prevents these folks brain cells from working properly.
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