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sbl_admin 04-24-2007 03:31 PM

Kids Are Better Behaved And Adjusted With Religious Parents
 
Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.


AnimeSpirit 04-24-2007 07:42 PM

Oh boy, I just know this thread is gonna go someplace warm. :sweatdrop: Here's my take though. Regardless of your personal beliefs, any philosophies that encourage good conduct in a child would surely have a positive impact on the child.

Sheba 04-24-2007 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Oh boy, I just know this thread is gonna go someplace warm. :sweatdrop: Here's my take though. Regardless of your personal beliefs, any philosophies that encourage good conduct in a child would surely have a positive impact on the child.

Warm might be too mild?!? Hot as Hades could be more appropriate:laugh:

My experience in dealing with so many families as a teacher tells me that the families who have focus tend to instill that focus in their children. If the focus is faith or family time or educational things, it works. Doesn't it just make sense, then, that families who spend time focused on religious growth would grow in truth and trust and Godly principals?

On the opposite side of the coin, families with no focus have nothing to pass on. And believe me, there are those who are just floating and reacting to circumstances, waiting to be handed life!

This would be a good place to interject that age old addage, you reap what you sow. So, Anime, I agree that any philosophies that encourage good conduct in a child would surely have a positive impact on the child. It's just that religious families channel their energy into that more, and the results show in the studies.:)

Pocahontas 04-24-2007 08:45 PM

Great posts to the both of you and I agree wholeheartedly!!!:clap: :clap:

BrainSmashR 04-24-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheba
Warm might be too mild?!? Hot as Hades could be more appropriate:laugh:

My experience in dealing with so many families as a teacher tells me that the families who have focus tend to instill that focus in their children. If the focus is faith or family time or educational things, it works. Doesn't it just make sense, then, that families who spend time focused on religious growth would grow in truth and trust and Godly principals?

On the opposite side of the coin, families with no focus have nothing to pass on. And believe me, there are those who are just floating and reacting to circumstances, waiting to be handed life!

This would be a good place to interject that age old addage, you reap what you sow. So, Anime, I agree that any philosophies that encourage good conduct in a child would surely have a positive impact on the child. It's just that religious families channel their energy into that more, and the results show in the studies.:)

While I like the objective stance you've taken on religion vs. doing anything constructive with your children, I feel I must point out that if the survey was conducted on an accurate scale of the American population, then it was nearly 90% Christian and is therefore expected to lean in that direction.

Simply put, while the results are accurate, they are also misleading because of a demographically accurate rather than a balanced survey group consisting of equal members of various religious and non-religious beliefs.

Isabella 04-24-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Oh boy, I just know this thread is gonna go someplace warm. :sweatdrop: Here's my take though. Regardless of your personal beliefs, any philosophies that encourage good conduct in a child would surely have a positive impact on the child.

Anime, you are one fine young man! Sheba, I agree with your post, too.

AnimeSpirit 04-25-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
While I like the objective stance you've taken on religion vs. doing anything constructive with your children, I feel I must point out that if the survey was conducted on an accurate scale of the American population, then it was nearly 90% Christian and is therefore expected to lean in that direction.

Nice try, but unless we get hard data from such a survey, saying that is merely speculation.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-25-2007 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Nice try, but unless we get hard data from such a survey, saying that is merely speculation.

Hear, hear for Anime :clap: Sheba you are a very wise woman and command much respect. Most of us know it was to be this way right before the second advent and Satan and his minions are loose and doing their dirty work because they know their time is short. I know for a first hand fact that having Christ as the head of our house has turned out three very good kids with good morals and grades and as much as the few on this board might think they know if you have not raised children you will never know so try another thread where you can google your info. First hand parenting is just that and google will not help you here.
Isaac

Sheba 04-25-2007 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
While I like the objective stance you've taken on religion vs. doing anything constructive with your children, I feel I must point out that if the survey was conducted on an accurate scale of the American population, then it was nearly 90% Christian and is therefore expected to lean in that direction.

Simply put, while the results are accurate, they are also misleading because of a demographically accurate rather than a balanced survey group consisting of equal members of various religious and non-religious beliefs.

I reread the original info. It says "study conducted re: affects of religion." As I am sure you are aware, BS, a true study is more than a survey - it involves tests over time and must follow a true research format. I give it more credit than the limited survey your describing.

Not everything that comes out on the positive side for religion is slanted. Good produces good in our kids!! That will be nice to know when you're in your 80's and you don't give your grandson money for a video game. Perhaps the good things you've planted will surface and you'll survive instead of spending five days on the floor just waiting for life to leave your body.

Again, we reap what we sow! Truth doesn't need a survey. :)

Isaac-Saxxon 04-25-2007 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheba
I reread the original info. It says "study conducted re: affects of religion." As I am sure you are aware, BS, a true study is more than a survey - it involves tests over time and must follow a true research format. I give it more credit than the limited survey your describing.

Not everything that comes out on the positive side for religion is slanted. Good produces good in our kids!! That will be nice to know when you're in your 80's and you don't give your grandson money for a video game. Perhaps the good things you've planted will surface and you'll survive instead of spending five days on the floor just waiting for life to leave your body.

Again, we reap what we sow! Truth doesn't need a survey. :)

:clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig: :clapbig:

BrainSmashR 04-25-2007 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheba
I reread the original info. It says "study conducted re: affects of religion." As I am sure you are aware, BS, a true study is more than a survey - it involves tests over time and must follow a true research format. I give it more credit than the limited survey your describing.

Not everything that comes out on the positive side for religion is slanted. Good produces good in our kids!! That will be nice to know when you're in your 80's and you don't give your grandson money for a video game. Perhaps the good things you've planted will surface and you'll survive instead of spending five days on the floor just waiting for life to leave your body.

Again, we reap what we sow! Truth doesn't need a survey. :)

You're confusing the authors words with what actually took place. This wasn't a "study" that took place over years and years under the careful scrutiny of several sdcientists. The second paragraph clearly states John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids.....

No, this was 1 man and his colleges at 1 university asking questions of a very specific audience consisting of 90% christian....and that's assuming he actually attempted to get an accurate sample population.

Now no one is doubting the results of the survey or the implications. We all know spending quality time with your children is important regardless of the activities in which you partake.....that's not rocket science. I'm merely stating that if you survey a group of 90% christians your results will reflect christians beliefs 100% of the time. To imply anything else is sheer stupidity.

Do you understand what I'm saying? In China the majority of the good kids are not christian. In Egypt, the majority of the good kids are not christian. In India, the majority of the good kids are not christians because christanity isn't what makes those people good parents, but being good parents IS what makes their children well behaved.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-25-2007 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
You're confusing the authors words with what actually took place. This wasn't a "study" that took place over years and years under the careful scrutiny of several scientists. The second paragraph clearly states John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids.....

No, this was 1 man and his colleges at 1 university asking questions of a very specific audience consisting of 90% christian....and that's assuming he actually attempted to get an accurate sample population.

Now no one is doubting the results of the survey or the implications. We all know spending quality time with your children is important regardless of the activities in which you partake.....that's not rocket science. I'm merely stating that if you survey a group of 90% Christians your results will reflect Christians beliefs 100% of the time. To imply anything else is sheer stupidity.

Do you understand what I'm saying? In China the majority of the good kids are not Christian. In Egypt, the majority of the good kids are not Christian. In India, the majority of the good kids are not Christians because Christianity isn't what makes those people good parents, but being good parents IS what makes their children well behaved.

LOL devil child :laugh: Your stupid ass does not have clue as to how many real Christians there are all over this world. You look out your little piss hole of window on life and all you can see is a cup that is half empty. I feel sure that even the swine would not want your evil spirit near them. I know your kind and it has nothing to do with what it is you believe but everything with attacking Christians. What we did before has everything with what we do now ! Do you any concepts of the Abyss ? Well you will soon Ababdon :mad!:

BrainSmashR 04-25-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
LOL devil child :laugh: Your stupid ass does not have clue as to how many real Christians there are all over this world. You look out your little piss hole of window on life and all you can see is a cup that is half empty. I feel sure that even the swine would not want your evil spirit near them. I know your kind and it has nothing to do with what it is you believe but everything with attacking Christians. What we did before has everything with what we do now ! Do you any concepts of the Abyss ? Well you will soon Ababdon :mad!:


I know there are 2 billion who claim to be christian....like you.

but when zealots like you start discriminating against snake handlers, Pentecostals, and Mormons then the numbers start to drop significantly.

Simply put, I'm glad dumbass people like you are a minority globally, as well as locally.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-25-2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
I know there are 2 billion who claim to be christian....like you.

but when zealots like you start discriminating against snake handlers, Pentecostals, and Mormons then the numbers start to drop significantly.

Simply put, I'm glad dumb ass people like you are a minority globally, as well as locally.

I am not the judge of who is Christian or not and neither are you Son of Perdition ! I am glad that dumb ass people like you will not be around for a eternity. You will either have a conversion or your go into Perdition
(to perish) no more trouble makers like you around Morning Star :nono:

Sheba 04-25-2007 09:22 AM

I need the article you are speaking of, BS
 
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Originally Posted by sbl_admin
Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.

I am not finding a link to the article you have. I am also not finding religious to necessarily be equated with Christian. I would love to read the entire article so as not to make assumptions. In response to the above quote, the children could be religious Chinese children & parents, Egyptian, etc. I do see your point, and I don't want to respond to information that is out of context.

I believe that people who believe in a higher good - have some sort of religious belief - move toward that good. I also believe that religious beliefs make one a better parent. :)

Neo 04-25-2007 10:47 AM

I guess this study changes my views about the preachers daughter stories. Is there any truth to those stories?

LateNight 04-25-2007 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheba
I am not finding a link to the article you have. I am also not finding religious to necessarily be equated with Christian. I would love to read the entire article so as not to make assumptions.

On the first post of this thread, you'll notice below the description a link that says "Read More (1)" click that, it'll take you to the actual article after a few more clicks...

Or you could click here:

Study: Religion Is Good for Kids



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John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids, most of them first-graders, to rate how much self control they believed the kids had, how often they exhibited poor or unhappy behavior and how well they respected and worked with their peers.
The researchers compared these scores to how frequently the children’s parents said they attended worship services, talked about religion with their child and argued abut religion in the home.
The kids whose parents regularly attended religious services — especially when both parents did so frequently — and talked with their kids about religion were rated by both parents and teachers as having better self-control, social skills and approaches to learning than kids with non-religious parents.... READ MORE

Sheba 04-25-2007 07:57 PM

Very imformative article!!
 
Thanks Rhertz!! In my short windows of time, I am still learning to navigate this site. I feel a bit silly 'cause I just didn't see it.

However, I did read article and there's great info in it. I also heard more reported on radio news today as well. The study was based on question responses - a bit more than a survey. Participants were not identified ahead of time as particularly religious in any sense. If they had been, result could be seen as scewed.

Just as I have stated from my own experience with children, parents, and research of my own, the article says that people of religious backgrounds are more focused on their own beliefs and transfer those to their children. Here's the best quote from the info:

Bartkowski thinks religion can be good for kids for three reasons. First, religious networks provide social support to parents, he said, and this can improve their parenting skills. Children who are brought into such networks and hear parental messages reinforced by other adults may also “take more to heart the messages that they get in the home,” he said.

Secondly, the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family, Bartkowski told LiveScience. These “could be very, very important in shaping how parents relate to their kids, and then how children develop in response,” he said.

Finally, religious organizations imbue parenting with sacred meaning and significance, he said


Just says that religious parents care enough to learn about parenting, to say the right things, and to be good people themselves:clap: !! Good article!! Supports just what I have been saying.

MattyMattyChooChoo 04-27-2007 09:58 AM

I think the point is that religious people with children are a more uniformly represented group than any others that have well behaved children.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyMattyChooChoo
I think the point is that religious people with children are a more uniformly represented group than any others that have well behaved children.

ChooChoo please explain that one :confused: I know for a fact that being humble to your maker also goes in life with other people. In short that same respect that we should show each other in everyday life. You can see the people that are atheist are very hostile people and with nothing to turn to in time of need I understand why they are that way. :peace:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
ChooChoo please explain that one :confused: I know for a fact that being humble to your maker also goes in life with other people. In short that same respect that we should show each other in everyday life. You can see the people that are atheist are very hostile people and with nothing to turn to in time of need I understand why they are that way. :peace:

What he's saying is that there aren't enough Atheists/Buddhists/Hindus/Wiccans in America, much less in this survey, as opposed to Christians to show that Atheists/Buddhists/Hindus/Wiccans are also capable of rearing well behaved children.

He's saying exactly what I said. When 90% of your survey group are known to share similar opinions, then obviously the results of your survey will be biased.

It's not rocket science, Isaac, it's looking at the poll with objectivity. Something you are incapable of achieving where religion is concerned.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
What he's saying is that there aren't enough Atheists/Buddhists/Hindus/Wiccans in America, much less in this survey, as opposed to Christians to show that Atheists/Buddhists/Hindus/Wiccans are also capable of rearing well behaved children.

He's saying exactly what I said. When 90% of your survey group are known to share similar opinions, then obviously the results of your survey will be biased.

It's not rocket science, Isaac, it's looking at the poll with objectivity. Something you are incapable of achieving where religion is concerned.

Thank you ChooChoo :nono: You are incapable of having faith in something you can not see, taste, smell or hear. That is very bad indeed. It is funny that you would call yourself brain :laugh: because you seem to use very little of your brain to explore the things that you can not hold in your hand. Nice try Minion but once again just a few cents short :rolleyes:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Thank you ChooChoo :nono: You are incapable of having faith in something you can not see, taste, smell or hear. That is very bad indeed. It is funny that you would call yourself brain :laugh: because you seem to use very little of your brain to explore the things that you can not hold in your hand. Nice try Minion but once again just a few cents short :rolleyes:

Actually I have quite a vivid imagination, I just know the difference between the real world and make-believe.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Actually I have quite a vivid imagination, I just know the difference between the real world and make-believe.

I did not say vivid imagination I said faith and you seem to lack that all together. What is real to you and what is make-believe seems to be a very gray area buddy :laugh:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
I did not say vivid imagination I said faith and you seem to lack that all together. What is real to you and what is make-believe seems to be a very gray area buddy :laugh:

What your "faith" blinds you to is that it IS just an over active imagination.

BTW, there are no "gray areas" in science, buddy.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
What your "faith" blinds you to is that it IS just an over active imagination.

BTW, there are no "gray areas" in science, buddy.

No gray areas in science ? Buddy wake up and use the rest of your brain if that could be possible. Just like your space adventures there are old school thoughts being proved wrong all the time. Legion you too will soon enough find out just how your leader has poisoned you in that pit of filth. I see you work with the dregs of society by your post and that would be appropriate for you to find some kind of control in this "real" world you live in :laugh: :laugh:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
No gray areas in science ? Buddy wake up and use the rest of your brain if that could be possible. Just like your space adventures there are old school thoughts being proved wrong all the time. Legion you too will soon enough find out just how your leader has poisoned you in that pit of filth. I see you work with the dregs of society by your post and that would be appropriate for you to find some kind of control in this "real" world you live in :laugh: :laugh:

No scientific law has ever been proven wrong.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
No scientific law has ever been proven wrong.

Christ has not been proven wrong unlike you. Science is rethinking things all the time unlike you. :nono: You must hurry up with your work time is short and the harvest is near :clap: there will not be one tare left in the end :clap:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Christ has not been proven wrong unlike you. Science is rethinking things all the time unlike you. :nono: You must hurry up with your work time is short and the harvest is near :clap: there will not be one tare left in the end :clap:

Intelligent men don't waste time trying to disprove that which does not exist.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 01:01 PM

Oh foolish dirty bird
 
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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Intelligent men don't waste time trying to disprove that which does not exist.

What would you say to explorers that are seeking the unknown :rolleyes:
you Buzzard Brain :laugh: :laugh:


The Buzzard
If you put a Buzzard in a pen that is 6 feet by 8 feet and is entirely
open at the top, the bird, in spite of its ability to fly, will be an
absolute prisoner. The reason is that a Buzzard always begins a flight
from the ground with a run of 10 to 12 feet. Without space to run, as is
its habit, it will not even attempt to fly, but will remain a prisoner
for life in a small jail with no top. Blind as a brain-fart :laugh:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
What would you say to explorers that are seeking the unknown :rolleyes:
you Buzzard Brain :laugh: :laugh:


The Buzzard
If you put a Buzzard in a pen that is 6 feet by 8 feet and is entirely
open at the top, the bird, in spite of its ability to fly, will be an
absolute prisoner. The reason is that a Buzzard always begins a flight
from the ground with a run of 10 to 12 feet. Without space to run, as is
its habit, it will not even attempt to fly, but will remain a prisoner
for life in a small jail with no top. Blind as a brain-fart :laugh:

There's a difference between searching for the unknown and searching for the bull**** someone told you.

BTW, the buzzard takes a 10-12 foot run because it's needs to stupid, not because it's a habit. Just like the Albatross, the Pelican, and all other large birds who rely primarily on their ability to soar on thermal updrafts because they lack the strength for sustained flight.

You better stick to telling lies about religion, buddy, because no one besides you thinks your smarter than me.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
There's a difference between searching for the unknown and searching for the bull**** someone told you.

BTW, the buzzard takes a 10-12 foot run because it's needs to stupid, not because it's a habit. Just like the Albatross, the Pelican, and all other large birds who rely primarily on their ability to soar on thermal updrafts because they lack the strength for sustained flight.

You better stick to telling lies about religion, buddy, because no one besides you thinks your smarter than me.

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :think: :think: :rotflol:

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 03:44 PM

As if anyone expected you to provide an intelligent response.

MattyMattyChooChoo 04-27-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Thank you ChooChoo :nono: You are incapable of having faith in something you can not see, taste, smell or hear. :rolleyes:

A person cannot have faith in something they see, hear, taste, smell because it does not require faith in order to believe or know that it works or exists.

One cannot see gravity, we merely see the effects.
One cannot see the air in the sky, but it passes over and under an airplane wing, allowing it to fly.
One cannot see, smell, taste, feel the oxygen and nitrogen in the air, yet we breathe it.
One cannot see, smell, etc. Carbon Monoxide, yet it can still kill you. (The smell is actually added to the carbon monoxide so people have a warning if there is a leak.)
If you felt oxygen blown against your skin, could you tell it apart from nitrogen?

We have faith that all these are true. Some can be proven to exist by using the senses, but only with recent advances in technology, while others we can only see the effects.

God is the same way, we cannot see him, but we see effects that can only originate from Him.

BrainSmashR 04-27-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyMattyChooChoo
God is the same way, we cannot see him, but we see effects that can only originate from Him.

Such as?

Isaac-Saxxon 04-27-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyMattyChooChoo
A person cannot have faith in something they see, hear, taste, smell because it does not require faith in order to believe or know that it works or exists.

One cannot see gravity, we merely see the effects.
One cannot see the air in the sky, but it passes over and under an airplane wing, allowing it to fly.
One cannot see, smell, taste, feel the oxygen and nitrogen in the air, yet we breathe it.
One cannot see, smell, etc. Carbon Monoxide, yet it can still kill you. (The smell is actually added to the carbon monoxide so people have a warning if there is a leak.)
If you felt oxygen blown against your skin, could you tell it apart from nitrogen?

We have faith that all these are true. Some can be proven to exist by using the senses, but only with recent advances in technology, while others we can only see the effects.

God is the same way, we cannot see him, but we see effects that can only originate from Him.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
GREAT POST

MattyMattyChooChoo 04-27-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Such as?

To begin with, miraculous, medically unexplainable recoveries or cures of people with diseases.

Another sign of a Creator is everything that exists. (see discussion of evolution for the "unmoved mover" explanation) Some higher being had to create it. That's wonderful if we can explain how things work, but humans didn't design or create the sciences or nature. We're constantly discovering things that were in existence long before we knew anything about it.

Every day, we experience the effects of God and His love through the love we receive from other people. Who created the desire to love and be loved? Why do we have these longings? Why are we sad, happy, etc.? Who created those emotions? God did. We did not. Most people can hardly even control them.

You see the effects of God through the love shown by other people. You also see the effects of the devil through the lack of love shown by other people.

BrainSmashR 04-28-2007 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyMattyChooChoo
To begin with, miraculous, medically unexplainable recoveries or cures of people with diseases.

That would fall under the realm of the unknown, not "god made it that way".
Not only do you lack the proof to support your claim, you fail to see how this attitude is detrimental to the learning process.

Unless you care to offer proof more substantial than the hearsay of your Bible......
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Another sign of a Creator is everything that exists. (see discussion of evolution for the "unmoved mover" explanation) Some higher being had to create it. That's wonderful if we can explain how things work, but humans didn't design or create the sciences or nature. We're constantly discovering things that were in existence long before we knew anything about it.
Why can't the Universe have always existed? Can you really say that concept is really any more far fetched then your idea that god snapped his fingers and made it happen? Can you offer any proof to the contrary other than the hearsay of your Bible?
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Every day, we experience the effects of God and His love through the love we receive from other people. Who created the desire to love and be loved? Why do we have these longings? Why are we sad, happy, etc.? Who created those emotions? God did. We did not. Most people can hardly even control them.
Love exists in just about every creature. It's purpose to to promote breeding and to provide as safe an environment as possible for the offspring....BTW, you aren't SUPPOSED to control your emotions just liek you aren't supposed to control the tythem of your heartbeat. They are calling INvoluntary actions
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You see the effects of God through the love shown by other people. You also see the effects of the devil through the lack of love shown by other people.
No, YOU see good and evil (man made concepts) because you were taught to be judgmental. Yeah it's a shame the lamb has to die in order for the wolf to live, but there's noting inherently good or evil about it....that's just the way life works.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-28-2007 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyMattyChooChoo
To begin with, miraculous, medically unexplainable recoveries or cures of people with diseases.

Another sign of a Creator is everything that exists. (see discussion of evolution for the "unmoved mover" explanation) Some higher being had to create it. That's wonderful if we can explain how things work, but humans didn't design or create the sciences or nature. We're constantly discovering things that were in existence long before we knew anything about it.

Every day, we experience the effects of God and His love through the love we receive from other people. Who created the desire to love and be loved? Why do we have these longings? Why are we sad, happy, etc.? Who created those emotions? God did. We did not. Most people can hardly even control them.

You see the effects of God through the love shown by other people. You also see the effects of the devil through the lack of love shown by other people.

Very nice read Matty :clap: I think we have see the effects of the devil and lack of love shown by Legion here on this board. Evil attacks everything and anything that gets near it because evil does not understand the power of love and Christ. Matty thank you for your post it was done in very good taste :clap: :clap: Please do not let one little devil child keep you from posting on this board you sound very educated unlike demon child. ;)

Texasbelle 04-28-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainSmashR
Love exists in just about every creature. It's purpose to to promote breeding and to provide as safe an environment as possible for the offspring....BTW, you aren't SUPPOSED to control your emotions just liek you aren't supposed to control the tythem of your heartbeat. They are calling INvoluntary actions


No, YOU see good and evil (man made concepts) because you were taught to be judgmental. Yeah it's a shame the lamb has to die in order for the wolf to live, but there's noting inherently good or evil about it....that's just the way life works.

Brain, many of the emotions you feel are a VOLUNTARY action. You choose to get on this board and get upset. You choose to love someone or not. You choose many days how you will feel that day. It's not involuntary. They may start off that way, but it's a conscious choice what direction they will take. It is a decision you can make. You have made a decision to feel the way that you do. You could change many of them if you choose to. Life has hardened you to many things. I get that and am sorry for you that it has. I do look forward to the day when something changes for you though and you can know wonderful joy.


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