Most popular browser here?
 

I, personally, use Mozilla Firefox, always have, and hopefully will continue as long as they improve their software.

I've tried out Opera in the past, lackluster at best.

IE and the recent IE7 is a joke in my eyes.

Netscape isn't even a contender.

What about you guys?

Here are some stats that recorded the browser hits to one of my new sites after a month or so of air time. This cut compares IE hits vs. Firefox hits. As you can see, IE is apparently far more popular than Firefox.

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As for my personal opinions, I have perspectives to offer. For a user, I commonly use IE myself. It has a few glitches every now and then, but it certainly does what I need it to do. Firefox works great too.

From a webmaster's perspective, Firefox is an obnoxious, picky, stubborn piece of s**t. I like making my pages look JUST right. When I get my pages looking like works of art in IE, it is almost certain Firefox will have a problem with it somewhere. This is also true in the reverse in cases where I work on pages in Firefox and later view them in IE. Those two browsers just can't agree. Personally, I give priority to the more popular browser.

As a Macintosh user, I've been using Apple's Safari Browser (based on Konqueror's KHTML engine) since its release. But here lately, have become a fan of Firefox and its many add-on tools. Split my time between the two.
Internet Explorer has always drove me crazy with its little quirks. As far as Web development goes.

Indeed, but I usually visit web pages that are more fluent with the Firefox side of things, since a lot of the sites that I'm around fully support Mozilla. But yes, as a developer and a programmer, I also begin with IE7 just to get things working right, and then use browser translation to make it adapt to the browser the user is operating on. I haven't in a while, since before IE7, but I only use it for writing and coding pages, never to actually view or use them, it's just because most of the people who don't know anything else BUT IE will inevitably need support somewhere, so that's for them, but to those who prefer Mozilla, I agree.

I know what you mean. If there's one thing I can't STAND, it's having to code pages that dynamically shift a little in order to accomodate both popular browsers. It's a real pain, but I guess that's something we have to live with. We'll never get Mozilla and Microsoft to agree.

newbie here
 

Hi,

I figured I would post and say hi i'm new to the forum. I use firefox on both pc and mac. I have used Safari on mac it's pretty nice but I just like to use the same browser on any computer.

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Your avatar sucks!

Welcome, I think?:confused:
And I thought Isaac's avatar was the scariest?! Kudos for stealing that title!!:freaky:

Thank you for the very nice welcome i think? :eek:

As this is a community website, that type of avatar may be considered inappropriate. I would advise changing it.

I think you meant family website, because community can be anything, it just means people are communicating with each other..

But anyway.. let him have what he wants, it doesn't look that bad.. it's not obscene or anything.. yet.

The browser "problem" is that IE is very forgiving of code errors, Firefox is not. So if you view something that looks good in IE but then is messed up in Firefox, then there's an error in your code or at the very least, it's not W3C compliant

IE has always been forgiving of errors that is why it's the choice of wed designers. I remember years ago when netscape was the one most people used due to hating IE.

Yeah, I've heard that before. But in my opinion, a browser should be a little forgiving because HTML, PHP, and CSS syntax are very loose. Here's a simple example.

I like using fieldsets on some objects on my site because the LEGEND tag looks great as a generic block header. You can probably tell that vBulletin uses them too for the same reason. In IE, a fieldset is treated as a block object, so the fieldset block will adjust in height and width to make room for whatever is inside it if the content is bigger than the established fieldset width.

In Firefox, however, when you set the width of a fieldset, the block STAYS at that exact width. Now what happens if your content gets too big for the block? The content actually span across the fieldset's border and hang out. Some could call this a programming error, but unexpected lengths of data happen in dynamic programming all the time.

I understand your problems completely. Try displaying html within php if you want some real fun. More often then I care to admit I have to scrap ideas because getting it to look just right between php, Firefox and IE is just beyond my capability.

Oh? You think THAT'S fun?! Try running HTML data that includes Javascript or AJAX functions through a PHP page using dynamic data! Those little backslashes you use to escape quotes and apostrophes don't work quite the same way when you're feeding an echo or print function both HTML and Javascript code!

Like this:
Can you see where this script would make even R2D2 throw up? Now THAT, my friend, is one that'll make you wanna scrap a project.

Try to imagine doing all of that AND making both browsers conform to both appearance and script functionality. CSS helps relieve some of the appearance issue, but the functionality issue is a pain, nonetheless.

Well, I hate to blow my cover, but Nuke is php for dummies. Pretty much anything you can get to look normal, I can wrap in php and an Iframe and utilize on my site.

Notice these two links point to the same thing, but I can write a "module" which is just an index.php, to make the page appear within my site.

With my header, footer, and sidebar
http://www.brainsmashr.com/modules.p...=Photo_Gallery

Without my header, footer, and sidebar
http://www.brainsmashr.com/JAlbum

I don't use a content management system of any kind. I tried using Joomla a while back but got very sick of it. I handcode all my own stuff now and doing PHP is a walk in the park for me. I'm working on one site now that's going to be, by far, the most advanced piece of scripting I've ever done on my own. When I get it more complete, I'll link it here for everyone to check out.

I use iframes VERY sparingly. For one, they look gaudy in some places if you have your scrollbars turned on. Also, sometimes you want to use data from your modules on other parts of the page. Iframes won't accomodate this. Finally, it takes longer for a browser to load many iframes than a simple include() statement that calls up that file.

Yep, but a simple include statement doesn't work so simply in every case....

Another advantage I like about using iframes other than it's simplicity is that it keeps all content on my site, so to speak. Check out the Google Module I made. You can do the google search, browse results, and even visit the linked sites all with my header and footer still showing. Plus it's really simple to convert to other CMS's.

http://www.brainsmashr.com/modules.php?name=Google

Cool, but why is the frame so tall? :freaky:

Inline frames also don't apply the stylesheets of the parent page. If you're using a universal template on your site to maintain an overall consistant appearance, you must link your stylesheets manually to each individual module which makes updating a pain if you ever want to change stylesheets. If you use an include() function, which aren't THAT complicated, they will carry the same stylesheet info as if they were originally part of the page.

browser wars
 

name that image

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bummer. it's easier to see once reduced down for the thumbnail.

Even without shrinking it, all ya gotta do is stand back from the monitor. Very cool though.

Negative, most CMS's are built to do this with relative ease utilizing a Theme system. While I have absolutely no control over the content displayed within the iframe (because it's another website), all of my modules/blocks (with the exception of 1*) will change appearance accordingly with the theme I choose.

For instance, with the click of a button and by changing an #FFFFFF to a #000000 I have changed the entire look of my website (I am assuming you've seen it before). This is a feature I can enable for registered users too, but since I don't know how to edit flash, some of the themes are incomplete, therefore I disabled it.

I don't suppose YOU know how to edit flash or have software to do so, huh?


*I do have 1 block on my site immediately below my first story which displays my BOINC signature and another random block....and I do indeed have to manually change the background color in one file to make it match the current theme, whatever color it may be.


BTW, the height of the iframe is a variable
height = \"2000px\"

Easily recognizable to any regular user

Well, I do work with flash when I need to and I do have the software for it, however flash is tricky. There are two kinds of flash files involved when making flash: the SWF file and the FLA file. The FLA is basically the project file that contains all of the media used in the SWF. The SWF is the finished product that is used on the website. If you've ever used a video editing suite, then you probably know just what I mean.

SWF files cannot be edited directly. You must break it into a FLA file first which may or may not be efficiently possible. There are utilities that CLAIM to be able to restore a FLA file just from SWF, but I've had trouble finding one that will actually do this.

I use Firefox because I cannot live without mouse gestures or Adblock (so I don't have to look at you people's animated GIFs and avatars).

I've never heard of mouse gestures. What do they do?

If I want to go "back" I hold the right button and move the mouse to the left. if I want to go to the beginning of the history in a certain tab I hold-right and go up/left. To refresh I r/h and move up/down. You can customize all of them.

It's a lot like tabbed browsing, it doesn't sound as useful as it really is in practice. I HATE having to use IE for that one reason.