Do we dislike Old people this much?

[Texasbelle]

Originally Posted by rhertz

You make some good points joepole. I think Ms Belle and I are concerned for example, when a expecting mother in Mexico knowingly travels to the US to defraud our system for free healthcare and delivery of her newborn baby. A C-section can cost over $15k and someone has to foot the bill. Not only that, the newborn is automatically a US citizen and *entitled* to free food, healthcare, and education until he/she is 18 years old. There are proper ways to enter our country and become a US citizen for good reasons, and this isn't one of them. I'm pro-imigration, but I'm also "anti-breaking the law" which is always hard to justify in an orderly society. People flee Mexico in order to live here in a relatively orderly and legal society by comparison.

My point EXACTLY. Many of these people are not paying taxes either. I don't think the statistics are even close to correct. They do flood the emergency rooms constantly getting FREE medical care while legal Americans have to wait because they are there in the ER clogging the system up. They have found so many ways to abuse the system. They know if they have a baby on American soil then the baby is automatically American and thus the mother gets to stay here as well. It's a vicious circle that needs to be stopped.

[Santabot]

If you want to look at it this way:

Where are the Native Americans to be found? Locked up on reservations playing slots and drinking booze and eating cinnamon rolls.

Who were the illegal aliens? I think you can relate.

People just want to go somewhere they can do something for themselves. Mexico offers no opportunities to succeed the way America does. No illegals come here and sit around and leech off of us, they come here to work and provide support for their families back in Mexico until they can get citizenship, they don't ask for help from the government and do their best to stay away from others as to not bother anyone. Who's going to build the 700 mile fence at the border? I can tell you a group of fat Americans won't be doing it.

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by Santabot

Who's going to build the 700 mile fence at the border? I can tell you a group of fat Americans won't be doing it.

Evidently you've never heard of the "MinuteMen"...they're the fat American volunteers who guard our borders with Mexico. Alot of them are fat...all of them are American, and unpaid. I'd wager another group of fat Americans would gladly step up to the plate to build that wall. If I lived close, I'd donate most of my free fat American time to buildin it, bein the fat American that I am.

Most of the aliens are hard workers and decent people, and nobody's disputin that. But they're here illegally and they're a drain on our system, and there aint no disputin that either. As for the native Americans, yeah, they got the shaft in the beginning. But they're no worse off than any other American nowdays. In fact, bein an indian opens up all sorts of benefits and entitlements NOT available to anyone else, and rightly so.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Evidently you've never heard of the "MinuteMen"...they're the fat American volunteers who guard our borders with Mexico. Alot of them are fat...all of them are American, and unpaid. I'd wager another group of fat Americans would gladly step up to the plate to build that wall. If I lived close, I'd donate most of my free fat American time to buildin it, bein the fat American that I am.

Most of the aliens are hard workers and decent people, and nobody's disputin that. But they're here illegally and they're a drain on our system, and there aint no disputin that either. As for the native Americans, yeah, they got the shaft in the beginning. But they're no worse off than any other American nowdays. In fact, bein an indian opens up all sorts of benefits and entitlements NOT available to anyone else, and rightly so.

There's only a handful of these "minutemen", you should watch Penn & Teller's Bull****! series on Showtime (most episodes found on Google Video) about immigration.

It took 200+ years for natives to get their rightful spot here, but still, with all the trauma we caused them, their grandchildren better be getting some monetary benefits, even if it's the minimal we reserve for them.

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by Santabot

There's only a handful of these "minutemen", you should watch Penn & Teller's Bull****! series on Showtime (most episodes found on Google Video) about immigration.

It took 200+ years for natives to get their rightful spot here, but still, with all the trauma we caused them, their grandchildren better be getting some monetary benefits, even if it's the minimal we reserve for them.

Yes...I'm sure "Penn & Teller" could enlighten me about a great many things. Nevertheless, your obvious contempt for "fat Americans", coupled with your zeal for porous national borders disturbs me.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Yes...I'm sure "Penn & Teller" could enlighten me about a great many things. Nevertheless, your obvious contempt for "fat Americans", coupled with your zeal for porous national borders disturbs me.

Al he prefers pure communism over free enterprise ? Could we call this Anti American ? Well I like your post as always and people that do not like fat American need to haul their ass on out

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

Al he prefers pure communism over free enterprise ? Could we call this Anti American ? Well I like your post as always and people that do not like fat American need to haul their ass on out

Was it Anti-American to believe that we should open trade relations with China? Sure, at the time, but that's been done away with and is now an acceptable action.

Progressivism in America needs to realize there will at least be attempts from all angles of every situation by somebody, you can't have a true workable system if there are no polar or intermediate opposites, meaning, I can be patriotic and support other forms of government, but this does not mean my thoughts are away from America, it's hopeful that America will change itself over time, and I will be the one voting (registered today, in fact) soon for these type of changes. Regardless of my effect on the poor voting system we have (which is nil), I will still be representing those views I support, and that a lot of people are afraid of because they would rather fit into mainstream society or are not educated about them enough to support other ideas.

I think you're a bit too hyped up because you're now comfy in your seat of reign as the dominant religion in America. There was once a time where Christians were openly slain in the streets, do the same to me, but look at how much small views can be turned into revolutionary reality.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by Santabot

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Yes...I'm sure "Penn & Teller" could enlighten me about a great many things. Nevertheless, your obvious contempt for "fat Americans", coupled with your zeal for porous national borders disturbs me.

This is fun.. Talk about a one sided story! I have no idea what Bot just said. And I like it!! Less pain that way. Sorry Bot, please bash me all you want. I can't hear you!

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

There's only a handful of these "minutemen", you should watch Penn & Teller's Bull****! series on Showtime (most episodes found on Google Video) about immigration.

It took 200+ years for natives to get their rightful spot here, but still, with all the trauma we caused them, their grandchildren better be getting some monetary benefits, even if it's the minimal we reserve for them.

Actually the native Americans had every opportunity to acclimate themselves to the America way. The chose to keep moving west and preserving their own inferior way of life until there wasn't any farther west to go. That's why you don't hear about major conflicts with the Indians until more than a century after the arrival of white man in the new world.


Now, as far as the monetary benefits "they better be getting"....Exactly how much of that lump sum should fall on YOU, the individual taxpayer, for a "crime" that happened more than 100 years before you were born?

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Actually the native Americans had every opportunity to acclimate themselves to the America way. The chose to keep moving west and preserving their own inferior way of life until there wasn't any farther west to go. That's why you don't hear about major conflicts with the Indians until more than a century after the arrival of white man in the new world.


Now, as far as the monetary benefits "they better be getting"....Exactly how much of that lump sum should fall on YOU, the individual taxpayer, for a "crime" that happened more than 100 years before you were born?

I know, again, I didn't use sarcasm tags.. I'm used to posting in areas with high volumes of sarcasm, I think that's a main thing that gets people to view me differently, I'm sarcastic or not saying what people think I am probably 50% of the time.

I don't believe in any of that crap, I agree with your post before that. Crime should be punished at the scene and not after. Those who choose to commit crimes (including myself and everyone else in America) do so because of either accident or the knowledge that they know law enforcement isn't accurate enough to apprehend everyone that breaks the law. There is such a low chance of getting caught doing certain activities, even lower if you're familiar with all of the laws regarding the act, and still lower if you know how to further elude police and government presence. It's an ongoing came of cat and mouse..

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

In fact, bein an indian opens up all sorts of benefits and entitlements NOT available to anyone else, and rightly so.

Actually it's racial discrimination to offer "benefits and entitlements" based on race and that's not "right" under any circumstances.

Leftists rely primarily on the vote of the poor and minorities....which group specifically do you think this "vote buying scheme" is targeting?

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Actually it's racial discrimination to offer "benefits and entitlements" based on race and that's not "right" under any circumstances.

Leftists rely primarily on the vote of the poor and minorities....which group specifically do you think this "vote buying scheme" is targeting?

the same technique republicans use to get the "bible vote" and have ruled over the country recently.

Check out: http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/facu...n/atheism.html

good stats, thought you might be interested

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

the same technique republicans use to get the "bible vote" and have ruled over the country recently.

Check out: http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/facu...n/atheism.html

good stats, thought you might be interested

Religion is a choice, skin color and racial heritage are not.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Religion is a choice, skin color and racial heritage are not.

I know, I was stating the fact that these major political parties seek specific votes based on demographics. As the incline of religion peaked in America, those "bible voters" were able to vote in more republicans, beforehand it was those minorities with new voting powers utilizing it to bring Democrats into power. I haven't disagreed with you, haha.