How old is this planet ?

[rhertz]

Not this "deep" stuff again.. Well while on the subject, this christian organization (Answers in Genesis) professes that the earth is only about 6000 years old total!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp

This includes the dinosaur period, the whole she-bang. But I'm thinking, what about carbon dating? Oh they have an answer for that.

I was getting a new windshield at that glass place on Bert Kouns and someone had these AiG brochures spread around and I was bored so I read one. I had no idea that there were people who think the entire earth history is only 6000 years old. I'm a christian but I believe the earth is much older than that. Why does "creationism" and "evolution" have to be mutually exclusive? "Maybe they both exist at the same time". (quote from Forrest Gump) LOL

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by rhertz

Not this "deep" stuff again.. Well while on the subject, this christian organization (Answers in Genesis) professes that the earth is only about 6000 years old total!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp

This includes the dinosaur period, the whole she-bang. But I'm thinking, what about carbon dating? Oh they have an answer for that.

I was getting a new windshield at that glass place on Bert Kouns and someone had these AiG brochures spread around and I was bored so I read one. I had no idea that there were people who think the entire earth history is only 6000 years old. I'm a christian but I believe the earth is much older than that. Why does "creationism" and "evolution" have to be mutually exclusive? "Maybe they both exist at the same time". (quote from Forrest Gump) LOL

I have to wonder who had time to go out and plant all those "fake" bones
in the earth :-) Just kidding ! To lump the history of this planet into
6000 years of history is to be living in a box. Yea I know here we go again
I guess I should stick to talking about gardening or maybe basket weaving ?
Ah it was in the garden and it was not a apple but yes it was a fruit. I still
can not buy into the idea we came from apes or any other evolutional
process it would have to still be going on !

Always looking,
Isaac-Saxxon

[joepole]

Carbon dating is never used by any respectable scientist (or any scientists that I've ever heard) to date things to millions of years. C14 dating can place a formerly organic artifact at a max of about 40-60,000 years, (7-10 half-lives).

A million years would be 175 half-lives, meaning you would be working with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0479 % of the original material, meaning about one atom left for every 20,000 tons of original material.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

This is just what I was looking for ! Some input from a analytical point of view. This is something that I would not pick up studying history books.
This will change the way I look at science. Thank you !
Isaac-Saxxon

[LateNight]

Originally Posted by joepole

Carbon dating is never used by any respectable scientist (or any scientists that I've ever heard) to date things to millions of years. C14 dating can place a formerly organic artifact at a max of about 40-60,000 years, (7-10 half-lives).

A million years would be 175 half-lives, meaning you would be working with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0479 % of the original material, meaning about one atom left for every 20,000 tons of original material.

so is there a better more accurate way of dating something millions of years old ?

[joepole]

Uranium-based techniques (Uranium-Thorium or Uranium-Lead) are good for old atrifacts, but aren't always doable.

Google "geochronology" for more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geochronology

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

I have to wonder who had time to go out and plant all those "fake" bones in the earth :-) Just kidding ! To lump the history of this planet into 6000 years of history is to be living in a box. Yea I know here we go againI guess I should stick to talking about gardening or maybe basket weaving ?Ah it was in the garden and it was not a apple but yes it was a fruit. I still can not buy into the idea we came from apes or any other evolutional process it would have to still be going on !

Good post Isaac. I concur. No fake bones, and 6000 years almost insults my intelligence. We didn't come from apes, LOL. I wouldn't knock basket weaving though. I think talking about "deep subjects" is ok, as long as we keep a sense of humor and an open mind as you have today. I do believe in evolution, but I think it is more like "micro evolution" on top of "creation". I just don't see where the fossil record supports a continuous evolution from amoeba to homo sapien. Yet the concept of evolution cannot be ignored either. So maybe they are both happening at the same time.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by rhertz

Good post Isaac. I concur. No fake bones, and 6000 years almost insults my intelligence. We didn't come from apes, LOL. I wouldn't knock basket weaving though. I think talking about "deep subjects" is ok, as long as we keep a sense of humor and an open mind as you have today. I do believe in evolution, but I think it is more like "micro evolution" on top of "creation". I just don't see where the fossil record supports a continuous evolution from amoeba to homo sapien. Yet the concept of evolution cannot be ignored either. So maybe they are both happening at the same time.

Now with all this said how can they set a date on Lucy ? I agree that there
are small changes in the evolution any group of genes. Seletive breeding
of animals would show us that but still a limited group. I have to wonder
where the "6000 year" group thinks oil came from and if it was only 6000
years old then it should renew itself ??? Oh and did you know that
Gary Larson found the second Lucy ?