Elderly woman raped and beat

[AnimeSpirit]

Horrible! What the heck was wrong with this kid?! Lock him away because he is obviously so far gone that nothing will help him. I'm with Isaac. Prosecute him as an adult and send him to prison.

[joepole]

You can't give anyone under age 18 the death penalty, period. (Roper v. Simmons)

I wonder why he didn't kill her afterwards, what did he have to lose?

[AnimeSpirit]

We're not about to debate on whether or not he should've killed her, are we? That's just wrong.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by joepole

You can't give anyone under age 18 the death penalty, period. (Roper v. Simmons)

I wonder why he didn't kill her afterwards, what did he have to lose?

I stated that he would not get the death penalty in my post. Your second comment is just heartless joe

[joepole]

If you were the kind of person who would rape an 81 year old woman, why wouldn't you also kill her to cover your tracks? What's the downside? If living with killing someone that bad of a prospect if the idea of living with raping someone is something you're comfortable with?

[AnimeSpirit]

Originally Posted by joepole

If you were the kind of person who would rape an 81 year old woman, why wouldn't you also kill her to cover your tracks? What's the downside? If living with killing someone that bad of a prospect if the idea of living with raping someone is something you're comfortable with?

I'm so not getting into this one.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit

I'm so not getting into this one.

What's there not to get? Let me ask you a few questions that might shed some light here....

Do you think a 16 year old minor who kills someone in cold blood should be elegible for the death penalty? Why or Why not?

What if he just beats the living daylight out of someone leaving them barely alive, and possibly thinking they were dead? Is that much different?

Do you think that 16 and 17 year olds ever commit crimes that they might reconsider committing if they were 18 years?

My point is that if that were my grandmother who was savagely beaten/raped, I couldn't care less about the evil minded criminal's age.....

[AnimeSpirit]

Originally Posted by rhertz

What's there not to get? Let me ask you a few questions that might shed some light here....

Do you think a 16 year old minor who kills someone in cold blood should be elegible for the death penalty? Why or Why not?

If he killed one person in cold blood, I'd probably say a very long time in jail. If he killed many people in cold blood, he is likely beyond help. Depending on the circumstances, I could agree with the death penalty for a 16-yo. A cold-blooded murderer on the street is still a danger to society, regardless of age. It may be

Originally Posted by rhertz

What if he just beats the living daylight out of someone leaving them barely alive, and possibly thinking they were dead? Is that much different?

Assault with intent to kill. Very long jail/juvenile sentence.

Originally Posted by rhertz

Do you think that 16 and 17 year olds ever commit crimes that they might reconsider committing if they were 18 years?

Depends on the person really. I'm sure some kids who commit crimes MAY reconsider when they are no longer protected by juvenile law. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if this was small percentage.

Originally Posted by rhertz

My point is that if that were my grandmother who was savagely beaten/raped, I couldn't care less about the evil minded criminal's age.....

I agree. A killer is a killer. But I just don't want to discuss why he didn't just kill her. That just feels like a cold topic to discuss. It makes it sound like the value of life is less than the value of safety.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit

I'm so not getting into this one.

Actually I read that as "I'm so not getting this one." Funny how one word changes the whole meaning.... Sorry about that.

[Texasbelle]

Originally Posted by joepole

You can't give anyone under age 18 the death penalty, period. (Roper v. Simmons)

I wonder why he didn't kill her afterwards, what did he have to lose?

You know I thought Santabot was pretty sick, but you are right up there with him.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by joepole

You can't give anyone under age 18 the death penalty, period. (Roper v. Simmons)

I wonder why he didn't kill her afterwards, what did he have to lose?

I fail to see anything wrong with joe's posts in this thread. You guys really need to lighten up a bit if you ask me. First he made a factual statement that minors cannot get the death penalty. No judgement there, just a fact. Then he went on to ponder why the minor didn't go even further given the fact that he had little more to loose under the present law. I do wonder why and how a kid can be so utterly rotten, and wonder why anyone would beat someone so badly and not kill her. My only conclusion is that the kid did think he killed her, but she survived. I do not see where joe condones any of this behavior whatsoever. I'm pretty sure he doesn't, and perhaps his point is that this guy should get the death penalty as a deterent to other evil perps out there who are bent on violence.