Minimum Wages Goes Up Today

Isabella · 07-25-2007, 10:41 AM

Piemaker, please don't take offense. I don't mean to be picking on you. You are not looking at the whole picture, though. It would be wonderful if everyone could make higher wages.

AnimeSpirit · 07-25-2007, 10:48 AM

I can agree that if a company can't afford to pay the higher wage, than they will likely increase the cost of their goods. However, if the company pays higher than minimum wage to begin with, they could expect a more generous productivity from their employees, thus higher income for the overall company. When such minimum wage raises like this come along, the company would not be effected in the least.

It's really a competition between worker and boss. Both are trying to make more money from the other. If the boss demonstrates that he is willing to toss a bone once in a while, than the worker will likely work harder. After that, it is up to the boss to decide if the worker's performance meets the reward.

piemaker720 · 07-25-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Isabella

Piemaker, please don't take offense. I don't mean to be picking on you. You are not looking at the whole picture, though. It would be wonderful if everyone could make higher wages.

Don't worry I'm not taking offense and I don't think you are picking on me. But I also think you are not seeing the whole picture. I agree the government should not tell employers what to pay, I also agree it should be up to the employer to run his business. I understand all of that. I understand that business cost could go up but if a employer was already paying above minimum then he should not have to go up on his goods.

piemaker720 · 07-25-2007, 11:20 AM

You can not blame the wage increase for the cost of living increase. The cost of living increase is because of the government and your big oil companies and companies like sweepco that has no competition for their product. Do you think sweepco would have as many customers for power if there was another company with cheaper rates. That is another case of your supply and demand. They supply power, there is a demand for it but there is no competition so they charge whatever they want to a certain point. It's pay what we charge or we'll cut you off. Great for supply and demand. Another thing that affects the cost of living, people like that CEO of Enron, how many people did he put the shaft too? No the wage increase was not responsible for that.

guitarman · 07-25-2007, 11:24 AM

I will have to weigh in on this one. What it comes down to is we will have to do more with less. In the end the people living on the bottom level of income will find themselves with out a job. The sad part is the people with out money will vote for the people that are doing this to them.

piemaker720 · 07-25-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarman

I will have to weigh in on this one. What it comes down to is we will have to do more with less. In the end the people living on the bottom level of income will find themselves with out a job. The sad part is the people with out money will vote for the people that are doing this to them.

So the answer is to keep the little guy down no matter what.

guitarman · 07-25-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720

So the answer is to keep the little guy down no matter what.

the answer is government does not have the right to dictate to a business owner how much he or she has to pay some one for services rendered !! This attitude is why we have so many Mexicans coming over the border to do work that Americans are to good to do. There is no excuse for being lazy.

piemaker720 · 07-25-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarman

the answer is government does not have the right to dictate to a business owner how much he or she has to pay some one for services rendered !! This attitude is why we have so many Mexicans coming over the border to do work that Americans are to good to do. There is no excuse for being lazy.

That is true, but what about the companies that move to another country for the cheap labor. Companies that have fired workers to move. I agree the government does not have the right but if you don't want the raise then copanies should lower their prices so people can afford them. I'm talking oil companies , light companies , gas companies and so fourth.

piemaker720 · 07-25-2007, 11:47 AM

Also do you think our elected people deserve the big bucks they make. A lot of our polticians own business that they make money at but they still draw enormous paychecks from us. And we give them the power to vote theirself a raise when they want.

rhertz · 07-25-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman

the answer is government does not have the right to dictate to a business owner how much he or she has to pay some one for services rendered !! This attitude is why we have so many Mexicans coming over the border to do work that Americans are to good to do. There is no excuse for being lazy.

Great point. Lets raise minimum wage and attract more illegal aliens to break into our country! NOT! Lets face it, a minimum wage underminds having to work as hard. This leaves a void to be filled by those willing to work for less than minimum wage because they are not officially in the system. Raising the minimum wage without enforcing our border laws is plain irresponsible. But that's our government at work...

rhertz · 07-25-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by piemaker720

So the answer is to keep the little guy down no matter what.

Nobody keeps the little guy down but the little guy himself. There are so many forms of student grants, scholarships, loans, and government programs for this and that. But nobody is going to put a gun to the little guys head and make him/her take advantage of it. Well not yet anyway.

Isaac-Saxxon · 07-25-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz

Nobody keeps the little guy down but the little guy himself. There are so many forms of student grants, scholarships, loans, and government programs for this and that. But nobody is going to put a gun to the little guys head and make him/her take advantage of it. Well not yet anyway.

This is so true !!! The less you have the more the government will GIVE you for not working. You dig the best ditch and you will not be digging them for long because you will be promoted up the ladder.

Isabella · 07-25-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz

Nobody keeps the little guy down but the little guy himself. There are so many forms of student grants, scholarships, loans, and government programs for this and that. But nobody is going to put a gun to the little guys head and make him/her take advantage of it. Well not yet anyway.

Oprah was once a little guy. Look what she made of herself.

Isabella · 07-25-2007, 05:37 PM

Piemaker, if the employer will not pay you what you expect to be paid then quit. It is that simple. If no one will work for him then he will have to offer more.

Isabella · 07-25-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman

I will have to weigh in on this one. What it comes down to is we will have to do more with less. In the end the people living on the bottom level of income will find themselves with out a job. The sad part is the people with out money will vote for the people that are doing this to them.

TRUE!

07-25-2007, 10:41 AM	#1
Isabella Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 487 Rep Power: 259	Piemaker, please don't take offense. I don't mean to be picking on you. You are not looking at the whole picture, though. It would be wonderful if everyone could make higher wages. __________________ Where there is a will there is a way!

07-25-2007, 10:48 AM	#2
AnimeSpirit SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nowhere Age: 43 Posts: 1,659 Rep Power: 284	I can agree that if a company can't afford to pay the higher wage, than they will likely increase the cost of their goods. However, if the company pays higher than minimum wage to begin with, they could expect a more generous productivity from their employees, thus higher income for the overall company. When such minimum wage raises like this come along, the company would not be effected in the least. It's really a competition between worker and boss. Both are trying to make more money from the other. If the boss demonstrates that he is willing to toss a bone once in a while, than the worker will likely work harder. After that, it is up to the boss to decide if the worker's performance meets the reward. __________________ Confuscious says~

07-25-2007, 11:20 AM	#4
piemaker720 SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,584 Rep Power: 271	You can not blame the wage increase for the cost of living increase. The cost of living increase is because of the government and your big oil companies and companies like sweepco that has no competition for their product. Do you think sweepco would have as many customers for power if there was another company with cheaper rates. That is another case of your supply and demand. They supply power, there is a demand for it but there is no competition so they charge whatever they want to a certain point. It's pay what we charge or we'll cut you off. Great for supply and demand. Another thing that affects the cost of living, people like that CEO of Enron, how many people did he put the shaft too? No the wage increase was not responsible for that. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.-- Bill Cosby

07-25-2007, 11:47 AM	#9
piemaker720 SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,584 Rep Power: 271	Also do you think our elected people deserve the big bucks they make. A lot of our polticians own business that they make money at but they still draw enormous paychecks from us. And we give them the power to vote theirself a raise when they want. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.-- Bill Cosby

07-25-2007, 05:37 PM	#14
Isabella Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 487 Rep Power: 259	Piemaker, if the employer will not pay you what you expect to be paid then quit. It is that simple. If no one will work for him then he will have to offer more. __________________ Where there is a will there is a way!

07-25-2007, 11:24 AM	#5
guitarman Advanced Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shreveport Age: 56 Posts: 140 Rep Power: 236	I will have to weigh in on this one. What it comes down to is we will have to do more with less. In the end the people living on the bottom level of income will find themselves with out a job. The sad part is the people with out money will vote for the people that are doing this to them.

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