Bruce Springsteen's 'Magic' Has Anti-War Message

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by LateNight

so let me get this straight.. I'm pro gun, for less taxes, for smaller government. and I'm for leveling Syria, Iran and Iraq.

But since I'm worried about the direction of this Iraqi war.. it's lack of direction. the death of 'our' troops who sit over there trying to play cop, waiting to get shot at.. I'm un-American and equal to Jane Fonda..

do have it right ?

Let me help you LN. I am pro gun, for less taxes, for smaller government. You can not start a nuke on any country with out destabilizing the whole world. It would be nice if all we had to do is push a button but the world economy would crash and we ALL would see economic ruin. This fight between Persia and the Christian world has been going on for a very long time. The fight is coming to a climax and the party will be in Jerusalem. Iran has made no joke about what it plans to do to the Jews !! We need to be on our toes leaning into the basters and not on our heels crying for our soldiers. Now our little tif here started out on Bruce who attacks our government and his heart bleeds for the soldier but not for our country. Freedom sir is not free. Politicians play games with our soldiers with the DNC being the detractor not the supporter.
This hurts moral and when famous people come out a talk trash about the war and our leaders it is WRONG. If I talk to every mother that lost a son in war in history they would all be sad and many proud and a few bitter. You are not on the level of Jane Fonda she is a leader of the far left but you do buy in to feeling sorry for our troops instead of supporting them. Your choice every war has had those with no faith in our mission and they still fight for you.

[Al Swearengen]

I've said this many times, but I'll say it again for the sake of clarity and definition. Our leaders, the powers that be, have been foistin this "War On Terror" nonsense off on the general public since 911. But terrorism aint a regime, it aint a dictator...its a tactic, a method, a means to an end employed by those who seek change thru fear. Callin it the "War On Terror" is a whole hell of alot more PC than callin it what it really is, which is war on radical Islam. We all know that religious extremism of any kind is a threat to freedom, but here, now, in the modern age, it is the radical Islamists that pose the greatest threat to peace-lovin people not just here in the U.S., but everywhere around the globe. Are there Islamic radicals in Iraq? Ya bet your ass. They're also found in Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia...especially our good buddies the Saudis...everywhere Islam is practiced. We as a nation can not eradicate the threat by occupyin foreign lands usin our young people in uniform as a police force (somethin they're not trained for). The reason this strategy is failin is because the enemy is insideously integrated into the population of the country. In other words, they blend in so well that we cant see em until they rear their diaper-shrouded nappy little heads. Now, the natives could expose the extremists, makin em easier for us to spot...and they sometimes do. But for the most part, the native civilian non-combatants stay mum about it out of fear of retaliation. As if that werent bad enough, the natives are startin to resent our presence in their country, just as we would resent any occupyin force, regardless of whether that force claimed to be "helpin" us. To sum it up, our current game plan just aint workin. We're losin way too many of our precious young people with nothin to show for it. And the bad guys can keep this up alot longer than we can, because they have the home field advantage. We cant afford to lose any more soldiers with the tragically ineffective strategy we're usin now.

In addition, we need to look at who seems to be benefitin the most from this foolhardy venture, which seems to be the good ole boys at Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, and the various other defense contractors. Think about that...Bush and Cheney are linin their pockets with all that blood money. They're gettin filthy rich in this fiasco at the expense of our sons and daughters. We did the right thing when we took down Saddam and his boys. We did for Iraq what they could not do for themselves. But now its time to hand it off to the Iraqis and let em make of it what they will. If they screw it up again, thats on them, and we should'nt bail em out a second time.

[LateNight]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

I've said this many times, but I'll say it again for the sake of clarity and definition. Our leaders, the powers that be, have been foistin this "War On Terror" off onto the general public. Terrorism aint a regime, it aint a dictator...its a tactic, a method, a means to an end employed by those who seek change thru fear. Callin it the "War On Terror" is a whole hell of alot more PC than callin it what it really is, which is war on radical Islam. We all know that religious extremism of any kind is a threat to freedom, but here, now, in the modern age, it is the radical Islamists that pose the greatest threat to peace-lovin people not just here in the U.S., but everywhere around the globe. Are there Islamic radicals in Iraq? Ya bet your ass. They're also found in Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia...especially our good buddies the Saudis...everywhere Islam is practiced. We as a nation can not eradicate the threat by occupyin foreign lands usin our young people in uniform as a police force (somethin they're not trained for). The reason this strategy is failin is because the enemy is insideously integrated into the population of the country. In other words, they blend in so well that we cant see em until they rear their diaper-shrouded nappy little heads. Now, the natives could expose the extremists, makin em easier for us to spot...and they sometimes do. But for the most part, the native civilian non-combatants stay mum about it out of fear of retaliation. As if that werent bad enough, the natives are startin to resent our presence in their country, just as we would resent any occupyin force, regardless of whether that force claimed to be "helpin" us. To sum it up, our current game plan just aint workin. We're losin way too many of our precious young people with nothin to show for it. And the bad guys can keep this up alot longer than we can, because they have the home field advantage. We cant afford to lose any more soldiers with the tragically ineffective strategy we're usin now.

In addition, we need to look at who seems to be benefitin the most from this foolhardy venture, which seems to be the good ole boys at Halliburton and the various Defense Contractors. Think about that...Bush and Cheney are linin their pockets with all that blood money. They're gettin filthy rich in this fiasco at the expense of our sons and daughters. We did the right thing when we took down Saddam and his boys. We did for Iraq what they could not do for themselves. But now its time to hand it off to the Iraqis and let em make of it what they will. If they screw it up again, thats on them, and we should'nt bail em out a second time.

This is exactly what I'm freakin' talkin' about !!!! Could not have said it any better..

[vixweb]

REALLY? "Bush and Cheney are linin there pockets with blood money"?! Come-on.....Yes, Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton. Thats the kind of person we need as Vice President. The fact that he ran the largest oil company in the world, well and without scandals, just shows his credentials for leadership and decision making. The fact that Halliburton is making alot of money off the blood of others is BECAUSE they are the most experienced and well-equipped for that kind of work. Tell me WHO else could handle it? That Cheney profits from his benefits package is not a problem for me, and I CERTAINLY do not think it had anything to do with this war.
I do agree with most of AL's other points, but....I wouldn't care if we had to "police" every country out there-if thats what we need to do to protect ourselves. Remember that these Islamic extremists want to kill us. They hate us for several reasons, but mostly because we(Americans and Christians in general) are everything their religion tells them they will be, I.E; They are taught that they are superior to us in everyway, and that they will in essence, rule the earth. In order for their "prophecies" to come true, they must either kill us or convert us-Of course their REAL enemy is the jew, and the fact that we WILL help save them from these same extremists, gives them a special hatred for America. This war is MUCH deeper than "blood money".

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by vixweb

REALLY? "Bush and Cheney are linin there pockets with blood money"?! Come-on.....Yes, Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton. Thats the kind of person we need as Vice President. The fact that he ran the largest oil company in the world, well and without scandals, just shows his credentials for leadership and decision making. The fact that Halliburton is making alot of money off the blood of others is BECAUSE they are the most experienced and well-equipped for that kind of work. Tell me WHO else could handle it? That Cheney profits from his benefits package is not a problem for me, and I CERTAINLY do not think it had anything to do with this war.

So big business, particularly big oil, is the most experienced and well-equipped entity at makin money off the blood of our troops? What a disturbin philosophy ya have there, Vix! I've got a better idea...how about we leave that unpleasant task to a responsible elected leadership who's actions and decisions are predicated on the U.S. Constitution, who'd as soon put their own children in harms way as ours? Ya say the greatest qualification for leadership here in the U.S. of A. is being wealthy and used to gettin your way? I could'nt possibly disagree more with that assertion, as that is exactly what's wrong with our government...its composed largely of priviledged cretins who have absolutely nothin in common with everyday Americans and who just happened to be born into wealth and believe that entitles em to govern! I believe the word for that is feudalism, AKA "The Golden Rule" (He who has the gold makes the rules). Ya better believe the American Presidency is up for sale to the highest bidder...how the hell else could a guy like "W" ever end up in the Oval Office? Last I checked, the Dynamic Duo aint exactly scandal proof, no sir...Junior and Big Dick are most definity not beyond reproach! Vix, maybe you'd like to donate some of your hard earned cash to em so they can buy themselves some Teflon suits? Hell, they've already helped themselves to the contents of our wallets. Good thing you're ok with that!

Check out the followin link: http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=3524


But you're quite correct about the aim of radical Islam...they want to either convert us or kill us. Nobody is safe from em, not even their less enthusiastic brethren. Where-ever radical Islam is found there is butchery and conflict...its a cancer that must be eradicated if there's ever to be any peace, if any of us are to be safe and secure. But the way we're goin about it aint cuttin the mustard. History has shown time and again that military occupations rarely work and almost always end badly. How much of our money has Bush/Cheney spent occupyin Iraq so far? How many zeros is that? Think throwin more of our money at it is gonna solve their problem? How many dead and maimed young Americans are we up to now? Think the answer is to send more troops? Think it over.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Let us just pull ALL of our troops home because we are afraid one might get killed and that is just wrong. This is all about big oil and their profit margin Al thanks for posting for LN you got your point out there for him and he needed the help. Vix I agree with your post and part of Als post. This problem is much deeper than the oil field. Iran is counting on America not to have the guts to see another American die. They sure do not mind fighting for their evil cause. If the democRATS would not block us from drilling on the in North Alaska and let us build more refineries we could have yet another weapon to fight with. This cut bait and run will not work in a one world order. We must fight evil to the end. Nobody seems to point out the fact that Russia is behind all this mess. Al and Vix you both had good points in your post but I do not agree with all of them. Thank you both for being civil and you both sound like you are up on world affairs. LN you might want to try picking up a book every now and then and that might help your post. You guys come from a generation that can not remember war only in the books if you read them. History repeats just like Vietnam the press and the hippies did not have the guts to stick it out. It turn we let down our soldiers and the many people that supported us in Vietnam where left to die. LBJ was a fool.
Bruce and Jane stink of socialism. I am glad we live in a country where we can speak our mind. The dirt nap comes to all and what we did and who we support in our life will come to light. God does bless America even with detractors in our mist.

[Pocahontas]

Okay since no women have posted here I will dare to put in my 2 cents.
On Sept. 11 2001 this country as we know it changed. There's no doubt about it! Everyone was upset and looking for answers and cries of let's get those bastards were coming from all walks of life. When 6 months later something was done about it...the declaration of war by our president...people seemed relieved and supportive. My own liberal gay brother said to me "I guess it was a good thing Gore didn't win after all, he wouldn't have the backbone to declare war." That has stuck with me. As I recall Congress was all in agreement that war was the only answer. Now as we all know there is no timetable as to when it will be over. Pres. Bush said as much in the beginning. Now that the war is going on longer than many Americans believe acceptable people have turned on our leaders. This is what hurts our great country!!!! The enemies love to see us Americans disagreeing amongst ourselves!!!! War isn't pretty but is indeed necessary at times. Let's try to ride this thing out in support of our Commander and Chief and the soldiers!