Bruce Springsteen's 'Magic' Has Anti-War Message

Al Swearengen · 10-11-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vixweb

This is why I think you should have to take a test to vote- If you don't know whats going on, you shouldn't be allowed to $#$# it up for the rest of us.

Its funny that ya put it that way, Vix...ya took the words right out of my mouth! I was just tellin LateNight earlier how angry and disgusted I was gonna be with all of the pseudo-conservative republican party shills and hacks if Ron Paul is not elected. See, I wouldnt give a rat's ass how the damn republican party shills cast their votes if they had their own country, but they dont have their own country. The rest of us have to share it with em, and if the stupid sonsof*****es dont elect Paul and one of those phony, vote-panderin, soundbite spewin orifices end up in the White House, we're gonna be pretty fu**in pissed off about it. If you're callin yourself a republican and a conservative and ya dont vote for Dr. Paul, then you're either a tard or a hypocritical fraud with some kind of fu**ed up agenda.

But part of me thinks, fine, let the dumb bastards go right ahead and elect Hitlery or Osama or Rude-ie or OvenMitt or any of those other thievin, lyin, backstabbin, freedom-hatin, liberty-chokin, America-poisonin sacks o' schit. They'll reap what they sow and they'll damn well deserve what they get. I always knew things had to get alot worse and hit rock bottom before they could get better, so lets just get it the hell over with. We're gettin pretty goddamn tired of waitin around for the great experiment to fail, so bring it on. Let em go ahead and do their part to usher in the end of the Republic...set themselves up for the police state they're in such a hot ****in hurry to live under...wipe their sheeple asses with the Constitution and get it over with cuz we aint got all day and some of us are just chompin at the bit to set things right.

Pocahontas · 10-11-2007, 08:50 AM

Alot of what Ron Paul says (I checked out his website) Al, does make sense. But does he have the financial backing he needs to take this all the way? I can honestly say I've not heard much about him other than through you. Has he been debating? Of course I've not been the best at doing my research either, been kinda busy with the wedding and all.

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-11-2007, 09:47 AM

After some research http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...JmZDBiOWQzM2I= I think Ron Paul has some very good points. I do not sway easy. I think if he gets the NRA on his boat he might have a chance. I do think there will come a time to get out of Iraq and I do not totally agree with him on that but all the other stuff is good

He is outside of the belt way unlike most of the others. I will be reading more on him and watching for him in the debates. Thank Al for reminding me of him you caused me to do some homework. When I posted Bush,Clinton, Bush...
I was making the point that they are all in league via the Skull and Bones and other common views. I really did not like Bush 1 because he had no backbone. Then I found out Bush 1 was a 11th hour vice president for Reagan and maybe the reason they tried to kill Reagan was that he was out of step with the powers behind the scene.

They could not get old Ronnie

LateNight · 10-11-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

I think if he gets the NRA on his boat he might have a chance.

I believe Ron Paul is consistently Rated A by the NRA.

And for what it's worth, he has bee receiving more donations from those serving in the military than any other Republican candidate.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

Ron Paul He's Our Man ! if they would just give him a chance.

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-11-2007, 11:39 AM

That was a better link than the one I posted. I agree with everything he said except this one.

War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.

Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.

We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.
Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.

At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations.

We will have new leadership in the White House no matter who gets elected.
I do think we are spread to thin and I am not for the draft at this time. I am for closing our borders and consolidating our military. We need to wait and see if Iran can handle their own problem or see if we need to help them. I think the X Shahs son is knocking on the door and I sure hope it will happen with in. Then start a slow pull out.

Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.

now I can agree with that. The UN is a joke and should take their home office out of our country. We are paying the price for helping these countries out and we need to take food and troops out of any country that does not want us there and then come back to the table with the food in one hand and the gun in the other. I do not think we are in any danger of being isolated in this one world government. We have the lions share of the food and they have oil. Which would you rather have on a bad day ? Food for me

I am not surprised that the polls were shot down by big brother because the back halls on both sides of the street do not like a free spirit.I hope Ron Paul can make the jump it just might be another Reagan renegade that America needs.

rhertz · 10-11-2007, 01:59 PM

You guys still carrying on about poltics?? LOL

If I read any more, I might change my mind and vote for Hillary!

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LateNight · 10-11-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocahontas

Alot of what Ron Paul says (I checked out his website) Al, does make sense. But does he have the financial backing he needs to take this all the way? I can honestly say I've not heard much about him other than through you. Has he been debating? Of course I've not been the best at doing my research either, been kinda busy with the wedding and all.

Yes, he has been in the debates. The MSNBC poll ran last night after the Michigan debate, showed Ron Paul winning the debates. Other polls showed Ron Paul was winning, but the polls got taken off line once they saw Ron Paul was winning

vixweb · 10-11-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Its funny that ya put it that way, Vix...ya took the words right out of my mouth! I was just tellin LateNight earlier how angry and disgusted I was gonna be with all of the pseudo-conservative republican party shills and hacks if Ron Paul is not elected. See, I wouldnt give a rat's ass how the damn republican party shills cast their votes if they had their own country, but they dont have their own country. The rest of us have to share it with em, and if the stupid sonsof*****es dont elect Paul and one of those phony, vote-panderin, soundbite spewin orifices end up in the White House, we're gonna be pretty fu**in pissed off about it. If you're callin yourself a republican and a conservative and ya dont vote for Dr. Paul, then you're either a tard or a hypocritical fraud with some kind of fu**ed up agenda.

But part of me thinks, fine, let the dumb bastards go right ahead and elect Hitlery or Osama or Rude-ie or OvenMitt or any of those other thievin, lyin, backstabbin, freedom-hatin, liberty-chokin, America-poisonin sacks o' schit. They'll reap what they sow and they'll damn well deserve what they get. I always knew things had to get alot worse and hit rock bottom before they could get better, so lets just get it the hell over with. We're gettin pretty goddamn tired of waitin around for the great experiment to fail, so bring it on. Let em go ahead and do their part to usher in the end of the Republic...set themselves up for the police state they're in such a hot ****in hurry to live under...wipe their sheeple asses with the Constitution and get it over with cuz we aint got all day and some of us are just chompin at the bit to set things right.

Al, I think you definately sound like a Ron Paul supporter-

And as far as I'm concerned, you assume too much...... But, good luck with that!

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-11-2007, 08:26 PM

105 post to this thread

This has been interesting. I think as 08 comes along we will see more debate on where our country is going. This is good and sometimes passion runs very deep. So be it we are adults and we will learn what we like and what we do not like by taking a stand when we post. Kind of a self education and a vent at the same time. I have yet to hear any candidate address Russian the growing problem at our gate. Does not get enough press for the size problem they are. My opinion. Watch Alaska to the north and China to the east then Jerusalem in the Middle East. Three power kegs. Yep they sure are

I think any president that gets in will be hog tied by the Congress with their head up their butt. Leaves fighting from within. United we stand and divided we .................... cant even say it. We will under the gun come together and kick some major ass. Our enemies have always thought we lack the stomach for it. Each time after much blood they find out different. God blesses America that is a fact.
Isaac

PLAY BALL

10-11-2007, 08:50 AM	#2
Pocahontas SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,691 Rep Power: 294	Alot of what Ron Paul says (I checked out his website) Al, does make sense. But does he have the financial backing he needs to take this all the way? I can honestly say I've not heard much about him other than through you. Has he been debating? Of course I've not been the best at doing my research either, been kinda busy with the wedding and all. __________________ "The greater your capacity to love, the greater your capacity to feel the pain." Jennifer Aniston

10-11-2007, 09:47 AM	#3
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 340	After some research http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...JmZDBiOWQzM2I= I think Ron Paul has some very good points. I do not sway easy. I think if he gets the NRA on his boat he might have a chance. I do think there will come a time to get out of Iraq and I do not totally agree with him on that but all the other stuff is good He is outside of the belt way unlike most of the others. I will be reading more on him and watching for him in the debates. Thank Al for reminding me of him you caused me to do some homework. When I posted Bush,Clinton, Bush... I was making the point that they are all in league via the Skull and Bones and other common views. I really did not like Bush 1 because he had no backbone. Then I found out Bush 1 was a 11th hour vice president for Reagan and maybe the reason they tried to kill Reagan was that he was out of step with the powers behind the scene. They could not get old Ronnie __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

10-11-2007, 11:39 AM	#5
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 340	That was a better link than the one I posted. I agree with everything he said except this one. War and Foreign Policy The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price. At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations. We will have new leadership in the White House no matter who gets elected. I do think we are spread to thin and I am not for the draft at this time. I am for closing our borders and consolidating our military. We need to wait and see if Iran can handle their own problem or see if we need to help them. I think the X Shahs son is knocking on the door and I sure hope it will happen with in. Then start a slow pull out. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. now I can agree with that. The UN is a joke and should take their home office out of our country. We are paying the price for helping these countries out and we need to take food and troops out of any country that does not want us there and then come back to the table with the food in one hand and the gun in the other. I do not think we are in any danger of being isolated in this one world government. We have the lions share of the food and they have oil. Which would you rather have on a bad day ? Food for me I am not surprised that the polls were shot down by big brother because the back halls on both sides of the street do not like a free spirit.I hope Ron Paul can make the jump it just might be another Reagan renegade that America needs. __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

10-11-2007, 08:26 PM	#9
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 340	105 post to this thread This has been interesting. I think as 08 comes along we will see more debate on where our country is going. This is good and sometimes passion runs very deep. So be it we are adults and we will learn what we like and what we do not like by taking a stand when we post. Kind of a self education and a vent at the same time. I have yet to hear any candidate address Russian the growing problem at our gate. Does not get enough press for the size problem they are. My opinion. Watch Alaska to the north and China to the east then Jerusalem in the Middle East. Three power kegs. Yep they sure are I think any president that gets in will be hog tied by the Congress with their head up their butt. Leaves fighting from within. United we stand and divided we .................... cant even say it. We will under the gun come together and kick some major ass. Our enemies have always thought we lack the stomach for it. Each time after much blood they find out different. God blesses America that is a fact. Isaac PLAY BALL __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-11-2007, 01:59 PM	#6
rhertz SBLive! Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,834 Rep Power: 316	You guys still carrying on about poltics?? LOL If I read any more, I might change my mind and vote for Hillary!

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