Dumbing-Down of America

[joepole]

>I see by your (admittedly lame) comment about "In God we Trust" you must be of the anti Christian group that would like to see America striped of God.

I am not, I just think that's not a very good motto for our country. Our country isn't unique for its trust of God, it's unique for many other things. We fought a war to get out from under the thumb of England, a country with a state religion. England created that religion to get away from the influence of Rome. Trusting God is something all of these governments have claimed to do.

Our motto should mention freedom or equality of opportunity. We don't have a state religion so our motto should be secular.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by joepole

>I see by your (admittedly lame) comment about "In God we Trust" you must be of the anti Christian group that would like to see America striped of God.

I am not, I just think that's not a very good motto for our country. Our country isn't unique for its trust of God, it's unique for many other things. We fought a war to get out from under the thumb of England, a country with a state religion. England created that religion to get away from the influence of Rome. Trusting God is something all of these governments have claimed to do.

Our motto should mention freedom or equality of opportunity. We don't have a state religion so our motto should be secular.

"In God We Trust" is the very foundation of this country. The Ten Commandments and the Bible are not state sponsored religion but the very truth of how this great nation became the super power it is. No one will address the decline in scores and increase in crime about the time it was decided to remove God from our system of government. The dirty work of the ACLU has come to fruit and we just do not know how are why are kids are killing each other and STD's are so rampant ? There is a note on most calendars called B.C. and A.D. that make a very strong statement !

Anno Domini (Latin : "In the year of (Our) Lord"[1]), abbreviated as AD, defines an epoch based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth. AD is also an abbreviation for Christian Era.[2] Similarly, Before Christ (from the Ancient Greek "Christos" or "Anointed One", referring to Jesus), abbreviated as BC, is used in the English language to denote years before the start of this epoch.

Isaac

[AnimeSpirit]

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

Anno Domini (Latin : "In the year of (Our) Lord"[1]), abbreviated as AD, defines an epoch based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth. AD is also an abbreviation for Christian Era.[2] Similarly, Before Christ (from the Ancient Greek "Christos" or "Anointed One", referring to Jesus), abbreviated as BC, is used in the English language to denote years before the start of this epoch.

That is all true, but that is not a unique part of America either. America was formed on the foundation of freedom. The very first of the Bill of Rights sets freedom of religion and there continues to be many religions in America today. With this in mind, it would be more proper to say that this country was founded on many religions and not imply that a specific one contributed more than others.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit

That is all true, but that is not a unique part of America either. America was formed on the foundation of freedom. The very first of the Bill of Rights sets freedom of religion and there continues to be many religions in America today. With this in mind, it would be more proper to say that this country was founded on many religions and not imply that a specific one contributed more than others.

This country was founded on Christian principals and by Christians. Christianity is not a religion but a reality. England had a state run religion but American has many religions and religious freedom but most all of them where Christian in origin now days the melting pot has brought with it other religions but that was not how this country was founded.
Isaac

[joepole]

>"In God We Trust" is the very foundation of this country. The Ten Commandments and the Bible are not state sponsored religion but the very truth of how this great nation became the super power it is.

Even if that were true it's true for scores of countries, which still makes it a crappy motto for ours. That's like having your baseball team's motto be "We all have gloves!"

>There is a note on most calendars called B.C. and A.D. that make a very strong statement !

Actually, most people who deal with dates on a professional level use "CE" and "BCE" (common era and before common era).

>This country was founded on Christian principals and by Christians.

Both of these statements are flat-out incorrect. None of the principles on which our country was founded were based on Christianity (that's not to say they aren't also beliefs held by Christians and/or the Christian churches) and hardly any of our founding fathers were Christians.

This nation is the one in which Christianity has intersected most successfully with capitalism, but we are in no sense of the expression "a Christian nation." This is a good thing.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by joepole

>"In God We Trust" is the very foundation of this country. The Ten Commandments and the Bible are not state sponsored religion but the very truth of how this great nation became the super power it is.

Even if that were true it's true for scores of countries, which still makes it a crappy motto for ours. That's like having your baseball team's motto be "We all have gloves!"

>There is a note on most calendars called B.C. and A.D. that make a very strong statement !

Actually, most people who deal with dates on a professional level use "CE" and "BCE" (common era and before common era).

>This country was founded on Christian principals and by Christians.

Both of these statements are flat-out incorrect. None of the principles on which our country was founded were based on Christianity (that's not to say they aren't also beliefs held by Christians and/or the Christian churches) and hardly any of our founding fathers were Christians.

This nation is the one in which Christianity has intersected most successfully with capitalism, but we are in no sense of the expression "a Christian nation." This is a good thing.

This was not the origins of these terms (BCE & CE) that would come later as we reached the PC world in which we live. There where some of the tribes of Israel in 5000 B.C. here in the USA on the AR River and Colorado River and other rivers like the Mississippi where ancient Olgam has been found with the Ten Commandments have been etched in large stones. See the Author on this link http://www.equinox-project.com/drfell.htm Barry Fell who has now passed away has found old world records in ancient America. Looking for hard evidence that this is a country of men that the Bible speaks of in the tribe of Dan the ship builders that traveled the earth from all the towns in Europe with the name Dan somewhere in them to travel to South America and North America. Barry Fell is so far ahead of the curve for those of you who might care to know the real facts this book is great.
Isaac

[Isaac-Saxxon]

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[AnimeSpirit]

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

This country was founded on Christian principals and by Christians. Christianity is not a religion but a reality. England had a state run religion but American has many religions and religious freedom but most all of them where Christian in origin now days the melting pot has brought with it other religions but that was not how this country was founded.
Isaac

Let's talk history:
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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit

Historically speaking, the country wasn't officially founded until the signing of the Declaration of Independance. The 55 men who took part in this act of treason against the British did not do so as Christians, they did so in a patriotic sense. However, if you want to bring religion into the picture, I can point out that 9 of the 55 signers of the Declaration were, in fact, Freemasons. Among them included Benjamin Franklin and Jon Hancock.

Whether or not you consider Freemasonry a religion is still open to debate today. Officially, the Masons do not consider themselves a religion, but it has been said that one cannot be a devout Christian and an informed Mason at the same time as their principles will clash. Masons, officially speaking, acknowledge all religious traditions and do not try to favor any one specific practice. This is why the manuals of every major religion are found on the podium at most major Mason lodges.

In addition to this, I also happen to know that the Statue of Liberty, despite being a gift from France, is actually a depiction of the Roman Goddess Libertas, from whom we get the word "liberty." With this in mind, you begin to see that this country was not founded solely on Christian principles and not solely by Christians. America was, and is, a country of numerous different races, religions, and diversities. We are brought together not by our differences, but by what we have in common: the ground we all tread on.

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Originally Posted by Isaac Saxxon

Sounds like AnimeSpirit has been to visit the Oracle

Good post Mr. Spirit. This is the mixing bowl and there where natives here when the English got here and other ethnos peoples. Some might say Clovis Man what ever the case you have a very good point with your post. Christianity was sent to the lost tribes as a blessing and every where It went blessings came with It. When I say Christianity I do not mean churches and religion which are part of the man made construct. Thank you for you post
Isaac