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Old 04-07-2007, 04:39 PM   #1
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I see you learned how to google Abby

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I just couldn't resist showing the ignorance of your beliefs, Isaac the Stupid one.

Thomas Paine:

“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book.” (from The Age of Reason)

Abraham Lincoln:

“My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.” (to Judge JS. Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln's death)

Ulysses S. Grant:
“Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.” (Address to the Army of the Tennessee, Des Moines, Iowa, September 25, 1875)

John Quincy Adams:
“There are in this country, as in all others, a certain proportion of restless and turbulent spirits - poor, unoccupied, ambitious - who must always have something to quarrel about with their neighbors. These people are the authors of religious revivals.”
Very good Abby now show me where it says they where not Christians and you will see the truth. I do pity you so but one day you might wake up.
Good luck buddy. Oh I did spell check for you and you failed
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:36 PM   #2
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Very good Abby now show me where it says they where not Christians and you will see the truth. I do pity you so but one day you might wake up.
Good luck buddy. Oh I did spell check for you and you failed
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Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes"; and

More Jefferson:

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

And this is not a direct quote (because I don't have my fingers on it at the moment) but Adams wrote to Jefferson sometime in the 18-teens, about ten years before their shared deathdate of July 4, 1826 that he frequently believed that the world would have been a far better place had there never been any religion.

Here's Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."; and

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.





but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions. I mean I'd hate to NOT be able to laugh at your overwhelming stupidity on a regular basis.
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Old 04-07-2007, 08:05 PM   #3
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Well Abby being a member of a church does not make you a Christian

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Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes"; and

More Jefferson:

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

And this is not a direct quote (because I don't have my fingers on it at the moment) but Adams wrote to Jefferson sometime in the 18-teens, about ten years before their shared deathdate of July 4, 1826 that he frequently believed that the world would have been a far better place had there never been any religion.

Here's Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."; and

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.





but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions. I mean I'd hate to NOT be able to laugh at your overwhelming stupidity on a regular basis.
As we can see by you. So your quotes do not reflect the number of Christians and the how many of our founding fathers were in FACT Christians. Religion and church denominations are not the same. They in fact are created by men to control other men such as yourself. Many waves thru Ellis Island came from the UK and other countries so do a little home work and do not count on google so much buddy. Ever stop to look at that green cash and coins and what they say on them "In God We Trust" think that just happened there Abby ? Well if you don't believe it don't spend them Anti Christ. Your master will be here all to soon and I can see you are ready for you part in the deal.
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Old 04-07-2007, 10:24 PM   #4
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Brain, you still have not answered my questions directly. Of course, you never answer a question directly. Furthermore taking a piece of a statement, a book, or a speech and putting a spin on it is not answering the question either. I asked you to prove that these men were in fact not Christians, can you do this? Isaac is right. Look at the money you spend every day, what does it say?

IN GOD WE TRUST

Hmmm, wonder what made them decide to put that on there? Ohhh...maybe it's because the forefathers of our country were CHRISTIANS! They believed in God.
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Brain, you still have not answered my questions directly. Of course, you never answer a question directly. Furthermore taking a piece of a statement, a book, or a speech and putting a spin on it is not answering the question either. I asked you to prove that these men were in fact not Christians, can you do this? Isaac is right. Look at the money you spend every day, what does it say?

IN GOD WE TRUST

Hmmm, wonder what made them decide to put that on there? Ohhh...maybe it's because the forefathers of our country were CHRISTIANS! They believed in God.
I have posted numerous quotes of theses individuals denouncing Christianity. What do you want, a confession? Sorry, they apparently didn't take the time to sit down and write out their specific religious beliefs while they were fighting to free our country from the tyranny of England. Fortunately for those of us who have reading comprehension skills, they left behind many letters, Journals, and speeches.

BTW, how many of those coins with "In God we Trust" do you think were around in 1776, STUPID?
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BTW, how many of those coins with "In God we Trust" do you think were around in 1776, STUPID?
Well, there were none in fact bearing the words "In God We Trust" in 1776, however the phrase did first appear on the first coin, a 2 cent coin, in 1864. It was officially adopted as the phrase to appear on every coin in the 1950's. So Brain, apparently it's been in use in this country for a long, long time. It means something to a lot of people and it looks like that they were apparently the founders of this country. If you don't like it, don't spend the money.
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Well, there were none in fact bearing the words "In God We Trust" in 1776, however the phrase did first appear on the first coin, a 2 cent coin, in 1864.
Nearly 100 years later. How many of those "all" christian Founding Fathers were still around at that time?

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It was officially adopted as the phrase to appear on every coin in the 1950's. So Brain, apparently it's been in use in this country for a long, long time.
Actually 57 years is less than 1/4th of the time our country has been in existence.

Still doesn't support your false belief that all of the founding fathers were christian, does it?
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It means something to a lot of people and it looks like that they were apparently the founders of this country. If you don't like it, don't spend the money.
I have no desire to change the phrase, remove it, or affect/alter it in any way, shape, or form....I'm a conservative.

The argument is that all of the Founding Fathers were not christian and you have failed miserably at proving that they were (if you even remember that WAS the point)
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As we can see by you. So your quotes do not reflect the number of Christians and the how many of our founding fathers were in FACT Christians. Religion and church denominations are not the same. They in fact are created by men to control other men such as yourself. Many waves thru Ellis Island came from the UK and other countries so do a little home work and do not count on google so much buddy. Ever stop to look at that green cash and coins and what they say on them "In God We Trust" think that just happened there Abby ? Well if you don't believe it don't spend them Anti Christ. Your master will be here all to soon and I can see you are ready for you part in the deal.
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My intention was never to imply that all of the founding fathers weren't Christian. This is just more of the type of religious propaganda that turns educated people away from church and religion....

but we already knew you were part of the problem, didn't we....

BTW, I'll ask you the same thing question I asked the other blind fool.

how many of those green things with "In God we Trust" do you think were around in 1776, STUPID?
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They where gold Abby

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My intention was never to imply that all of the founding fathers weren't Christian. This is just more of the type of religious propaganda that turns educated people away from church and religion....

but we already knew you were part of the problem, didn't we....

BTW, I'll ask you the same thing question I asked the other blind fool.

how many of those green things with "In God we Trust" do you think were around in 1776, STUPID?
Funny that you would call yourself brain is that to over come something that is missing Did you get a photo for your web site of you in your Easter Bonnet ? Maybe time to go out side and play yard darts Love your web site by the way. I could never post photos of myself or any of my family on the world wide web but you have at it. Helps explain some of the gibberish that flows from your key board
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Funny that you would call yourself brain is that to over come something that is missing
YOU call me brain, I call myself BrainSmashR. So the question is what are you trying to overcome?
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Did you get a photo for your web site of you in your Easter Bonnet ? Maybe time to go out side and play yard darts Love your web site by the way. I could never post photos of myself or any of my family on the world wide web but you have at it. Helps explain some of the gibberish that flows from your key board
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Well if my family or I were horrible inbred beasts, I'd feel the same way about them as you do about your family too.
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I would not post any family photos of my family

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YOU call me brain, I call myself BrainSmashR. So the question is what are you trying to overcome?


Well if my family or I were horrible inbred beasts, I'd feel the same way about them as you do about your family too.
Do all of the people on your web site know you post their pictures ? I sure would not post pictures of my family for all the nuts on the web to look at and copy and use as they see fit. If I had a bad mullet like you I would never post that picture Now as far as inbred you should never be talking about that Abby I have to wonder with your post if your family tree is with out branches
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