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Old 04-30-2007, 11:00 PM   #1
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No, as you have provided multiple choices that apply to the 4 billion people on this planet who are not Christian.

I wanna change my vote since I can't vote twice and was unclear as to exactly what you were asking. I am indeed not a christian, but I have faith, it's called science, and technically speaking, we as human beings teach THIS system of beliefs to more people than the number of Christians and Muslims combined.

What do you know, right off the bat your survey has a nearly 10% margin of error. God forbid that Santabot and Anime have fallen victim to the same error in your logic, suddenly your margin of error is pushing 30%.....but it should be interesting to see what conclusions you draw, none the less.
I don't see what the big deal is!? Just pick an answer already!!
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I don't see what the big deal is!? Just pick an answer already!!
I don't see what the big deal is with Christianity, maybe you should allow him some breathing room to decide.. you know.. his whole belief system?

It's not that easy.. and if you take it that way, it seriously discredits your message to others that religion is a serious means of living and yours is any better than another.
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I don't see what the big deal is with Christianity, maybe you should allow him some breathing room to decide.. you know.. his whole belief system?

It's not that easy.. and if you take it that way, it seriously discredits your message to others that religion is a serious means of living and yours is any better than another.
I believe he's had 36 years to think about it!!
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He knows how he wants to vote, but he enjoys being a jerk and jacking with folks.
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He knows how he wants to vote, but he enjoys being a jerk and jacking with folks.
Knowing how I want to vote is considerably different than answering the question properly.

If someone asked you to define Pi, 3.14 is a proper answer, but it is neither the whole answer NOR is it the most accurate answer you could provide.
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Knowing how I want to vote is considerably different than answering the question properly.

If someone asked you to define Pi, 3.14 is a proper answer, but it is neither the whole answer NOR is it the most accurate answer you could provide.
You like beating around the very large bush, don't you?
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You like beating around the very large bush, don't you?

It's called playing the Devil's Advocate. I state the obvious in hopes of them recognizing the error of their ways.....but hey, I could be wrong. We'll have to wait and see what Isaac's conclusions are....
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I believe he's had 36 years to think about it!!
I used to be a Christian, and I didn't have enough time until now to think about it, and I still am. If you don't question your religion or your faith, what are you? Why even exist if all you do is uphold a book that doesn't change? You can't affect anything in the world or do any duty other than serve a text, for what reason? Who knows.
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I used to be a Christian, and I didn't have enough time until now to think about it, and I still am. If you don't question your religion or your faith, what are you? Why even exist if all you do is uphold a book that doesn't change? You can't affect anything in the world or do any duty other than serve a text, for what reason? Who knows.
Maybe you are on to something. At 17 you can't think fully because your still growing. You should be asking questions instead of making statements, and so I will try to answer some of them.

Re:What am I? I am an adult who once questioned my faith at 17 but no longer. At some point, you must make a decision or else find yourself asking questions your whole life.

Re: Why even exist if all you do is uphold a book that doesn't change? It's not just "a book". But ok, lets see you write one that is better. Go ahead and try. We will all be here waiting.

Re: You can't affect anything in the world. One prayer can have that effect. Just one.

Re: Who knows? Millions do. God knows. He gave us his word in a book no less. One that you can hold in your hands and read (well hopefully). Millions have read this book. They all know. What you are really saying is "not me, I don't know" and that is why you are asking questions like this to strangers on an Internet forum. Which is fine. Manyhere have been patient in answering your questions.

Now may I ask a couple of questions? Where are your parents? You're 17 right? When is your bedtime? You are in school right?
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:36 PM   #10
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Maybe you are on to something. At 17 you can't think fully because your still growing. You should be asking questions instead of making statements, and so I will try to answer some of them.

Re:What am I? I am an adult who once questioned my faith at 17 but no longer. At some point, you must make a decision or else find yourself asking questions your whole life.

Re: Why even exist if all you do is uphold a book that doesn't change? It's not just "a book". But ok, lets see you write one that is better. Go ahead and try. We will all be here waiting.

Re: You can't affect anything in the world. One prayer can have that effect. Just one.

Re: Who knows? Millions do. God knows. He gave us his word in a book no less. One that you can hold in your hands and read (well hopefully). Millions have read this book. They all know. What you are really saying is "not me, I don't know" and that is why you are asking questions like this to strangers on an Internet forum. Which is fine. Manyhere have been patient in answering your questions.

Now may I ask a couple of questions? Where are your parents? You're 17 right? When is your bedtime? You are in school right?

Did I state I could write a "better" book? Where is your definition of "better"? In what sense? Because it's the all-time bestseller? There are probably 10 bibles to every Christian, and many untouched entirely, there's no way that's an accurate representation of quality.

And perhaps I may "write a better book", you don't know. You claim I'm only 17 and not capable of doing anything because you assume that your expectations will hold out, but you're the one stifling dreams here, ass. Whenever I see a baby or small child, I always look at them as they are and then see them as a full-grown adult for what they will be (possibly) and see how time of existence affects so much, it's unreal.

Lol entirely at your Christian beliefs, seriously. It's like saying there's an imaginary friend with no evidence to support such a claim, change the word God or Jesus in the bible to your choice of imaginary friend names and it makes it look ludicrous, because that's what it is. Prayer is a superstition.

My parents are in the other room. I'm 17, right. My bedtime is when I determine I will get enough sleep for the next day, it's been that way for a while, because I responsibly go to bed early or responsibly take suffering the next day, either way. Mostly between 11-12 on school nights. I am in school, a good one, and actually one high school and 2 colleges, thanks.
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One thing that is not questionable is human nature. Everything in the bible about human nature has not changed and never will. God knew this. Look at the stories. The time frame is different but it still applies today. Nothing that is written about how people act and how they react will ever change. That is human nature. It is up to us to decide if we belive or not.
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One thing that is not questionable is human nature. Everything in the bible about human nature has not changed and never will. God knew this. Look at the stories. The time frame is different but it still applies today. Nothing that is written about how people act and how they react will ever change. That is human nature. It is up to us to decide if we belive or not.
Gilgamesh is the oldest written recorded novel, why don't you believe everything there if you're looking for history?

Or the qu'ran etc.
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Re:What am I? I am an adult who once questioned my faith at 17 but no longer. At some point, you must make a decision or else find yourself asking questions your whole life.
This time period is commonly referred to as the Dark Ages. The church provided all the answers and those who found themselves "asking questions" were often burned at the stake or just chased out of the country, if they were lucky, not unlike the very first Pilgrims...

This mentality is counterproductive to the learning process, period!!!

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There are a variety of "better" books and approximately 4 billion people worldwide agree. However, even you have to admit which one is "best" is a personal choice for each individual.
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Re: You can't affect anything in the world. One prayer can have that effect. Just one.
Yeah, and Kryptonite hurts Superman....the problem is both of those concepts are based on fantasy. Now I agree that one man CAN make a difference, but we disagree on the method. It takes "blood, sweat, and tears" to achieve goals, not prayer.
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Re: Who knows? Millions do. God knows. He gave us his word in a book no less. One that you can hold in your hands and read (well hopefully). Millions have read this book. They all know. What you are really saying is "not me, I don't know" and that is why you are asking questions like this to strangers on an Internet forum. Which is fine. Manyhere have been patient in answering your questions.
What it shows is that he possess the intelligence and the courage to stand up and say "hey, reality doesn't mesh very well with what you're preaching".

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This time period is commonly refered to as the Dark Ages. The church provided all the answers and those who found themselves "asking questions" were often burned at the stake or just chased out of the country, if they were lucky, not unlike the very first Pilgrims...

This mentality is counterproductive to the learning process, period!!!



There are a variety of "better" books and approximately 4 billion people worldwide who agree. However, even you have to admit which one is "best" is a personal choice for each individual.


Yeah, and Kryptonite hurts Superman....the problem is both of those concepts are based on fantasy. Now I agree that one man CAN make a difference, but we disagree on the method. It takes "blood, sweat, and tears" to achieve goals, not prayer.

Re: Who knows? Millions do. God knows. He gave us his word in a book no less. One that you can hold in your hands and read (well hopefully). Millions have read this book. They all know. What you are really saying is "not me, I don't know" and that is why you are asking questions like this to strangers on an Internet forum. Which is fine. Manyhere have been patient in answering your questions.

What it shows is that he possess the intelligence and the courage to stand up say hey, reality doesn't mesh very well with what you're preaching.
Thanks for the support, he said what I left out, basically. Even those who disagree sometimes (brain and I) can agree on things we see because.. it has no religious taboo on it. We don't have to watch our Ps and Qs and tread on thin ice with religion because any person can express what they wish, whether or not somebody else agrees and rebuttals that idea is another story, this doesn't mean I hate anybody else or dislike that person as a whole, because they disagree with me. You guys (you know which ones you are) saw my age and discredited me before even reading what I had to say really, and even now you still do, but you should admire my ignorance and will to support myself and others by saying what needs to be said, even if it's unpopular.

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