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If you are of Native American decent, chances are you were either a slave or a slave owner. If you are of Acadian decent, chances are you were either a slave or a slave owner. If you are of African decent, chances are you were either a slave or a slave owner...but if you are of African decent and you landed in America then your own people sold you to America as a slave.
Get the hell over it already, everyone. The confederate flag? It symbolizes "rebel" to many. The boy one of my daughter's married is black and he loves that flag. He wears a tshirt with it. Get over it. |
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The fact is, there were more people against slavery than for it, more democratically elected officials in the legislative and executive branches. The majority population won on an issue that was of great moral consequence. |
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Let me interject here to say...I love the way you all debate. It's so refreshing. No name calling like I see in other forums. Well, except when that creep is aroound.
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If slavery had nothing to do with it, then what started the states rights debate?
Just like the evolution debate, there had to be something that started the motion. |
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Slavery was merely a contemporary controversial and inflammatory issue of the day that was used as a pretext by Lincoln and the North to go to war with the Confederacy, much like "WMD's" was used as a pretense to go to war with Iraq. Does that answer your question? Last edited by Al Swearengen; 03-20-2007 at 03:21 AM. |
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Texasbelle you are such a southern lady and I would like to wish you a very happy 40th birthday today !!!!!!!!!! Maybe the south is going to do it again ? We say grace and we say ma'am and if you aint in to that we don't give a damn Isaac |
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I said this before and I'll say it again, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT MY ANCESTORS DID IF THEY DID ANYTHING WITH SLAVES. WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT OTHERS DID?????????? We are in the year 2007 wake up america I don't owe anyone of any race anything and if you have one for one race it should be for all I don't care what happened 200 years ago. I could go on and on on this one i'll calm down for now and go shopping and will bbl today to see what I can add to the fire.
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I am with you on this. I never thought much of having a John F. Kennedy road through every town, but I'd rather have it a Ronald Reagan road actually! But hey, it's better than a Martin Luther King because really what did he truly accomplish? He started a movement? I try to get it but I just don't.
I am tired of all the whining out of them. I am tired of 45% of every hard earned dollar my husband earns goes to taxes which in turns lands in alot of their pockets so they can sit at home, run up the crime rate, get free medical care, etc. It's just as irritating as snot. One of my biggest pet peeves is to go to Wal Mart shortly after the first and watch them buy groceries on their food stamp card and see the amount they get. It is unbelievable how much they get, what they buy, and that I am paying for it. And then usually the female will have a Louis Vuitton purse, a cell phone, a "grill", and on and on. Yes, I could gripe for days about the ways this mentality of "you owe it to me" irritates me. I am with Al on the basis that I believe the Confederate states had they continued to exist would not have allowed this ever. Yes we would have gotten rid of slavery, but the government coming in and taking over and creating all of this would not have happened.
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Al, what is your source of information?
The "south" was not a sovereign state and none of the states of the United States are sovereign states, equal to the power of the United States. An example of a sovereign state is a geographic region with a governing body that is recognized on the world stage. The governor of Texas does not go to China as an ambassador of Texas to wage war or peace between China and Texas. It was also the American Colonies that framed and ratified the Constitution and THEN became states, Delaware being the first. They were not states first, then built the Union. rhertz: "OK, I will try. All heritage is important to someone, right?. Are you saying that not all heritage is important? If so, then who decides what is important and what is not? My point is this is yet another slippery slope. Do we really want the PC police deciding for us? I like making up my own mind, but moreover, I like having the choice to CHANGE my mind as I grow smarter. This is a luxury in some parts....." The importance of heritage to a person doesn't make it right. The terrorists have a heritage of killing indiscriminately those with whom they disagree. Is that a heritage in which it is good to take pride? (I'm not calling you a terrorist.) Al, the southern states seceded, formed the Confederacy, then the Confederate States attacked the Union at Ft. Sumter. The Union didn't start the war. Isaac, I understand and agree with you that our welfare system needs to be seriously revamped, but it makes your reason for waving the Confederate flag sound like you just don't like black people. Scarlett, I agree. We don't owe anybody and nobody deserves payback for something that happened to their ancestors. If that were the case, I'd be the king of Scotland. |
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Heritage is important, but not because you're suppose to have pride in it. The point of history is so that we can remember. We remember the heroes and the villain of humanity's past because it is part of our race's fight to earn collective wisdom.
It may be true that terrorists have a heritage of their own and I don't think that is anything to be proud of. However, this is no reason for me to forget about it. I might forget who the terrorists once were. As far as the Confederate flag, it is as much a part of history as the bullet that shot Lincoln or the antique guns that once fought the bloodiest battles in the Civil War. We are not proud of these events, but we want to remember them and honor them because if you don't respect history and the chain of events that lead to it, you are doomed to repeat it. |
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