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Old 02-17-2007, 04:25 AM   #16
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My zeal is based on democratically established law, and the precedence established by those laws.

Yours are based on your own interpretation of the Bible.
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Old 02-17-2007, 04:30 AM   #17
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Talking So now you are saying you are a zealot

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My zeal is based on democratically established law, and the precedence established by those laws.

Yours are based on your own interpretation of the Bible.
Sounds like your faith is in the words of a judge. So BSr do you think God exist ? It is after all your choice
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Old 02-17-2007, 08:09 AM   #18
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Sounds like you still don't understand how laws are made.

Do my religious beliefs have any relavence to the subject at hand or are you just searching for another reason to pass judgment despite what the Bible teaches?

typical....
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Old 02-17-2007, 08:13 AM   #19
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Thumbs down BS on BrainSmashR

You talk about not forcing your opinion on people. The ultimate forcing of an opinion is aborting a life with your oversimplified justification. Sounds like communism to me (or a Ted Kennedy speech)
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Old 02-17-2007, 08:32 AM   #20
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You talk about not forcing your opinion on people. The ultimate forcing of an opinion is aborting a life with your oversimplified justification. Sounds like communism to me (or a Ted Kennedy speech)
Hate to break the news to you buddy, but it's not MY justification, it's the law.

Want to make a difference? Cast your vote for politicians who support your way of thinking.....you guys are in the majority right?
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Old 02-17-2007, 08:52 AM   #21
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A Law is what happpens to be a popular rule at a particular point in time. Morality is born from personal conviction. Sounds like law and controversy is dictating your morality. Who invented the abortion procedure anyway.... Was it born out of concentration camp or something or from China as a way to control population? Just wondering

Maybe isaac has an answer since he seems to be a historian or biblical scholar of somesort
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:15 AM   #22
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Thumbs down How can anybody think killing a baby is a good Choice

I guess each forum has a heckler that has to show up. I went and looked at your web site BSR and the photos of you and your "buddies" is worth a thousand words. Are you a gothic person or just a bunch of guys that are just wasted ? Your ideas about morals are lacking to a great degree. Call me judgmental fine I am but I can read what you have written on this thread and look at your web site and see enough to have a good idea of what it is you say you stand for and I just do not see anything good here. What has happened to our youth.
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This is what is happening to our youth. If it takes an village to raise an idiot, what happens when the village becomes majority idiots .
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This is what is happening to our youth. If it takes an village to raise an idiot, what happens when the village becomes majority idiots .
I am prolife but that photo is just too much to look at. I agree it is the end result of a abortion. This makes me very sad to see
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A human life is just that a human life

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This is what is happening to our youth. If it takes an village to raise an idiot, what happens when the village becomes majority idiots .
This is a bit graphic but it does make the point. I defenceless child killed by a so called doctor in the name of choice. I am sure doctors that do this kind of thing will not have a choice for themselves in the end. Where are all you bleeding hearts when it comes to crimes against nature and the rights of the unborn ??
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:12 AM   #26
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You people crack me up. First off that's not a picture of an "abortion" and we all know it. And I'm not going to get into an argument at what point a life starts, but that 'baby' looks like it made it 8 months or so before what ever happened to it.

When are you people going to learn to have a decent debate. First we went off on the Judge who got busted for his decision. If someone disagrees with you, they are labeled socialist, or nazis. now it's abortion you want to talk about, and if someone disagrees with you, they are now immoral low-life junkies.

I'm gonna listen to LateNight's advice on this one, and abandon this thread now as well.

People can disagree without all the name calling, it's like being on a playground at high noon.
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:16 AM   #27
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Sorry about the graphic..Truth is sometimes scary, and the consequences horrifying.... What next, will the next law make it mandantory that god get written consent prior to creation. Sounds silly, however some are heading in that direction. I suppose Lucifer would be the lawyer to serve the papers
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:31 AM   #28
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What is wrong with standing up for the unborn ?

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You people crack me up. First off that's not a picture of an "abortion" and we all know it. And I'm not going to get into an argument at what point a life starts, but that 'baby' looks like it made it 8 months or so before what ever happened to it.

When are you people going to learn to have a decent debate. First we went off on the Judge who got busted for his decision. If someone disagrees with you, they are labeled socialist, or nazis. now it's abortion you want to talk about, and if someone disagrees with you, they are now immoral low-life junkies.

I'm gonna listen to LateNight's advice on this one, and abandon this thread now as well.

People can disagree without all the name calling, it's like being on a playground at high noon.
Hey there RR. This is and always will be a hot topic. This is #1 on the liberal agenda and to kill a child is just that and by passing a law that says it is ok to do that does not change the fact that it is murder in the first degree. Heck they even have to have a appointment how much more premeditated can it get. You may choose to ride the fence but I will speak up every time I can for the unborn child.
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:01 PM   #29
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You people crack me up. First off that's not a picture of an "abortion" and we all know it. And I'm not going to get into an argument at what point a life starts, but that 'baby' looks like it made it 8 months or so before what ever happened to it.

Well lies and false accusations ARE the standard tactic of the zealot.

However I disagree with abandoning the topic. I prefer the method of giving them enough rope to hang themselves. I mean it took Neo less than a day to post his photo....of course he didn't realize most people know the difference between a 90 day old fetus and a fully developed baby....with hair no less.

Notice he added it as an attachment so the rest of us couldn't see where the photo originated from. My guess is he knows the truth too....
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Who invented the abortion procedure anyway.... Was it born out of concentration camp or something or from China as a way to control population? Just wondering
Isn't it interesting how the uneducated always tend to blame everything they disagree with on Nazi Germany?


2600 BC –First recorded recipe for an abortion producing drug.

1850 BC –Egyptians record recipe for contraceptive pessaries, one made from crocodile dung.

4th Century AD –St.Augustine lays down Catholic dogma sanctioning abortion up to 80 days for female fetus and up to 40 days for male fetus.

13th Century AD -St.Thomas Aquinas states Catholic dogma justifying sexual intercourse only for procreation.

1564 AD -Italian anatomist, Fallopius, discoverer of Fallopian tubes, publicizes condoms as anti-venereal disease devices.

1588 – Pope Sixtus forbids all abortions.

1591 – Pope Gregory XIV rescinds Pope Sixtus’ edict against abortion.

1803 – Great Britain makes abortion a misdemeanor.

1821 – Connecticut outlaws abortion after quickening, early abortions are legal.

1860’s – All states pass comprehensive, criminal abortion laws. Most remain until 1973.

1869 – Pope Pius IX forbids all abortions in exchange for France’s Napoleon III acknowledging papal infallibility. France’s population experienced a sharp decrease over the previous 60 years.

1873 – Federal Comstock laws enacted prohibiting mailing or distribution of information on birth control and abortion.

1879 – Margaret Higgins Sanger is born. She led the movement for birth control in the U.S.

1882 – First “modern” birth control clinic in the world opens in Holland, sponsored by trade unions.

1913 – Margaret Sanger arrested for violation of Comstock laws because of feminist birth control columns in, The Woman Rebel.

1916 - Margaret Sanger & her sister, Ethel Byrne jailed for dispensing contraceptive information at first American birth control clinic in Brooklyn, NY.

1924 – First scientific confirmation of women’s ovulatory and fertility cycle.

1930 – Pope Pius XI affirms Catholic dogma that every act of sexual intercourse is a sin unless performed with a reproductive intent.

1942 – Margaret Sanger’s Birth Control Federation of America becomes Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

1956 – Dr. John Rock (a Catholic) and others developed the birth control pill. Their research was funded by two women.

1960’s – FBI crime reports showed organized crime rings made enormous profits performing dangerous abortions. Any doctors caught performing a safe abortion were sent to prison, fined, and had their medical license taken away.

1963 – Pope Paul IV issues encyclical Humanae Vitae condemning artificial birth control.

1965 – In Griswold v. Connecticut, U.S. Supreme Court rules Connecticut’s law prohibiting birth control for married couples violates a newly defined right of marital privacy.

1967 – Then-Governor Ronald Reagan of California signs the most liberal abortion law of the times allowing freedom of choice during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.

1970 – Hawaii, Alaska, and New York repeal criminal abortion laws allowing abortion in the first trimester.

1970 – Belotti v Baird II decision allows states to require parental consent for abortion so long as there is a confidential judicial bypass.

1972 – Supreme Court finds the right to privacy of unmarried persons violated by Massachusetts law against distribution of contraceptives in Eisenstadt v Baird. Justice Brennan in the majority opinion states that all Americans have a right to bear and beget children free from government interference.

1973 – On January 22, 1973 the U.S. Supreme Court in a 7-2 decision, hands down Roe v Wade making a 1st trimester abortion a private decision between a woman & her physician. In the 2nd trimester states
can put limitations on abortion with regard to the health of the pregnant woman. In the 3rd trimester states can make abortion illegal except to save the life of the woman.

1973 – Indiana passes first call for a Constitutional Convention to ban abortion.

1974 - Hope Clinic for Women in Granite City, IL, opens as one of the first abortion providers.

1976 – Hyde Amendment is passed barring the use of federal Medicaid funds to provide abortions to poor women.

1977 – A revised Hyde Amendment is passed which allows states to deny Medicaid funding except in cases of rape, incest, or severe and long lasting damage to the woman’s physical health. Rosise Jimenez, a 27- year-old mother on welfare, died of an illegal abortion as she could not afford to get a legal abortion due to the Hyde Amendment.

1977 – First reported arson at an abortion clinic (in St. Paul, MN) and first know bombing of an abortion clinic (in Cincinnati, OH).

1980 – 19 of the 34 states required have passed calls for a Constitutional Convention.

1982 - Janyary, 1/3 of Hope Clinic destroyed by fire bomb.

1982 - August, physician who owns Hope Clinic kidnapped along with his wife by three men calling themselves the Army of God. Both were held bound, blindfolded, and gagged on the dirt floor of an abandoned munitions bunker for eight days. All three men went to jail.

1989 – Webster v Reproductive Health Services is handed down by Supreme Court allowing states to place increased restrictions on access.

1991 – Supreme Court upholds Title X gag rule (restriction on mentioning abortion in federally funded clinics) in Rust v Sullivan. Congress votes overwhelmingly to overturn gag rule, but override of Pres. Bush’s veto fails narrowly.

1993 – Newly inaugurated President Clinton reverses several anti-choice policies of Reagan & Bush administrations including gag rule.

1993 – Dr.David Gunn is murdered by anti-choice fanatic in Florida. He is the first of a series of abortion providers shot in the following years.

1994 – President Clinton signs Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (FACE) making it a federal crime to interfere with the provision of reproductive health care.

1994 – Dr. John Britton, Lt. Col. Jim Barrett, Shannon Lowney, and Leanne Nichols are murdered in shootings at three abortion clinics.

1995 – U.S. clinical trials of mifepristone (RU486)

1998 – 25 years of legal abortion in America.

1999 - Hope Clinic moves to state-of-the-art building.

2000 – FDA approves Mifeprex (RU486)

2000 - Hope Clinic begins offering the abortion pill (Mifeprex).

2004 - Hope Clinic turns 30 years old.
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