Baby near death

[joepole]

>Well now pole if you think that killing unborn children is a good thing then I can see why you do not think this is sad. Now you walk up and punch a pregnant woman and kill the baby you go to jail for fratricide. My thoughts on this are both are murder.

1. I don't think killing unborn children is a good thing.

2. It would only be fratricide if the kid was my brother.

I was asking why "If she had done this two months earlier it would have been legal" is sad. (assuming that was true, which it's not)

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by joepole

1. I don't think killing unborn children is a good thing.

Then killing partially born children is bad too right? That's the way I feel about it. Born, UnBorn, Partially Born, it doesn't matter to me. Killing is wrong. Well unless you kill (murder) someone first in cold blood. Then we ought to kill you right back (capital punishment) Hey I never said I was logical.....

[joepole]

Correct, I oppose abortion in any circumstance other than to save the life of the mother.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by joepole

>Well now pole if you think that killing unborn children is a good thing then I can see why you do not think this is sad. Now you walk up and punch a pregnant woman and kill the baby you go to jail for fratricide. My thoughts on this are both are murder.

1. I don't think killing unborn children is a good thing.

2. It would only be fratricide if the kid was my brother.

I was asking why "If she had done this two months earlier it would have been legal" is sad. (assuming that was true, which it's not)

There is something known as late term abortion. I know you are math guy so go figure. Did you ever hear of the constipated mathematician ? He worked it out with a pencil

[piemaker720]

You guys talk about abortion but how can you ever know what a woman goes through. I am not for it or against it. The only thing I can say is, it is not for me, but I also believe it is not my place to tell the next person what they can do or can not do. It is their body and they have to live with their actions the way we all do. There are many reasons why women get abortions, some are parents that are ashamed of their child, Some are boyfriends that don;t want to step up and do right. Then there is rape victims or teens that are too young to have children mind wise. The only way I would ever consider one is rape. If you guys think you should be able to tell a woman about abortions then we should be able to talk about weinnie snipping [ I heard the ouch]. Do you think your sperm is not a living thing until it reaches an egg? Maybe when a guy has a snipping it should be against the law because you killed future babies. As for as this mother that killed her child, she never deserved a child. She should be sent to prison and made to have a hystertomy because she deserves never to have any child.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

Do you think your sperm is not a living thing until it reaches an egg?

Hey I'm no scholar, but every egg and every sperm cell is destined to die unless they are united. Then something special happens. Dying eggs and dying sperm is just part of the cycle of life. Destiny as it were. But once fertilized, a sustainable creature is formed. One that COULD last 100 years and become President or become a murderer or anything. It's a 50/50 deal no matter how you slant it.... (Human life is 50% male and 50%female)

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by rhertz

Hey I'm no scholar, but every egg and every sperm cell is destined to die unless they are united. Then something special happens. Dying eggs and dying sperm is just part of the cycle of life.

So you do agree that a sperm is a living thing even though it dies if it does not unite with an egg. So a snipping kills them before they have a chance to unite. If a woman ask me should I have an abortion I would tell her it is her decision not mine to make. I try not to interfere in other peoples lives[ I mean telling them how to live] unless they are child abusers or spouse abusers. I have always told my kids I brought you in this world and it was not to be no one's punching bag. But back to the subject , the woman that killed her baby should have had a abortion. [I would not have told her to have one, but either way she killed her baby.] She does not need children I can only imagine what that poor baby went through in it's few days of life. That child did't ask to to trowed against the wall. She has another child, I wonder what he's had to go through. I believe if you abuse a child you should be fixed where you can never bring anymore children in for you to mistreat. One thing comes to mind in pass threads we have talked about this. Some say you can't force someone to get themselves fixed that it is against their rights. But you can stop them from abortion. If they was fixed to begin with then there would be no abortion.

[vixweb]

Why do women always approach this issue as if they have all the "rights"? Is the baby not half the father? When y'all say things like "you couldn't know what the woman is going through"- What about what we are going through? If a woman wants to abort my child, what could I do? NOTHING! Tell me ladies, If your having a child, or NOT, were my decision- seriously, think about that. "Whether or not I have a child is not my decision". Imagine your boyfriend telling you "we were pregnant, but I had an abortion"- "its MY body"! Don't be so quick to dismiss us, we have feelings too. I believe killing babies is WRONG -

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by vixweb

Why do women always approach this issue as if they have all the "rights"? Is the baby not half the father? When y'all say things like "you couldn't know what the woman is going through"- What about what we are going through? If a woman wants to abort my child, what could I do? NOTHING! Tell me ladies, If your having a child, or NOT, were my decision- seriously, think about that. "Whether or not I have a child is not my decision". Imagine your boyfriend telling you "we were pregnant, but I had an abortion"- "its MY body"! Don't be so quick to dismiss us, we have feelings too. I believe killing babies is WRONG -

You are not getting what I am saying. It is wrong to kill a baby. An abortion should be the woman and her mate's decision. It is not my place to go down the street and interfere with my neighbors life or tell them what they can or can not do. You preach about the father having rights but how many times has the idea of an abortion been the father's idea because he didn't want a child. Do you consult your mate if you decided you didn't want children and went and had a snip job done. Has there been times when men had it done without the woman knowledge. We women can't decide: well I don't want kids so I am going to get fixed. The doctors will not perform one on a young person [ I mean teens and twenties] without a good reason. as for you if you can't talk someone out of aborting your child, get rid of her, she ain't worth it if she can't consider you. But NO you don't know what we women go through. Whether it from abortion or labor. I really wished each man could experience it one time, then they might think twice about doing it with anybody that comes along.Get real here for a moment, if you went out with a girl or woman because you heard she puts out, that being the only reason, and she got pregnant what would you do? Marry her or say it might not be mine! uh

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

So you do agree that a sperm is a living thing even though it dies if it does not unite with an egg.

No, sperm is not a sustainable living thing any more than pollen is a sustainable living thing. It has but one purpose, to procreate Life.

Living creatures such as humans have a million purposes. But eggs and sperm individually do not constitute "life". Life always has a "life cycle". This is why it is OK to eat eggs even though the Bible commands us to not kill. This is why it's OK to wash the pollen off your car, but not cut down your neighbor's tree. This is why it is OK to abstain from sex and let your egg and sperm expire, but it is not OK to kill a fertilized embryo in the womb or a birthed baby after a couple chooses to have sex.

[guitarman]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

You guys talk about abortion but how can you ever know what a woman goes through. I am not for it or against it. The only thing I can say is, it is not for me, but I also believe it is not my place to tell the next person what they can do or can not do. It is their body and they have to live with their actions the way we all do. There are many reasons why women get abortions, some are parents that are ashamed of their child, Some are boyfriends that don;t want to step up and do right. Then there is rape victims or teens that are too young to have children mind wise. The only way I would ever consider one is rape. If you guys think you should be able to tell a woman about abortions then we should be able to talk about weinnie snipping [ I heard the ouch]. Do you think your sperm is not a living thing until it reaches an egg? Maybe when a guy has a snipping it should be against the law because you killed future babies. As for as this mother that killed her child, she never deserved a child. She should be sent to prison and made to have a hysterectomy because she deserves never to have any child.

You say your not for or against it but it is not for you
There is NEVER a good time to kill a child Never !

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by guitarman

You say your not for or against it but it is not for you
There is NEVER a good time to kill a child Never !

That maybe, and no abortion is not for me. It is not something that I myself would do. But again it is not my place to tell another woman what to do with their body. They are the ones that have to live with their choice not me. Like I also said maybe we should start a campaign against weinne snipping. Are you going to say that is the man choice alone.