Bishop urges Christians to call God 'Allah'

Isaac-Saxxon · 08-15-2007, 03:46 PM

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57178

Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to ease tensions between Muslims and Christians, says a Dutch bishop.

Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network" Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported.

The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted.

Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God.

"Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years," Muskens said. "In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?"

Jesse · 08-15-2007, 04:00 PM

Don't think that'll fly in the good ole US of A...
Interesting concept, tho.

Texasbelle · 08-15-2007, 04:53 PM

It won't fly in this house. I just watched on FoxNews a debate where they are asking can you be both a Muslim and a Christian at the same time ? Apparently some preacher somewhere today said you can. I don't know what he is preaching but it must not be from the same bible I read.

rhertz · 08-15-2007, 04:54 PM

Netherlands? Isn't that were drugs are practically legal? hmmmm

AnimeSpirit · 08-15-2007, 04:56 PM

Oh boy! More political correctness in religion!

howela · 08-15-2007, 05:53 PM

God calls me by my name, I'll call him by his.....

Isaac-Saxxon · 08-15-2007, 06:02 PM

I am that I am (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה, pronounced Ehyeh asher ehyeh) is one English translation of the response God used in the Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" or "was" in Hebrew; "ehyeh" is the first person singular present/future form. Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally interpreted to mean I am that I am (King James Bible and others), yet, as indicated, is most literally translated as "I-shall-be that I-shall-be."

Al Swearengen · 08-15-2007, 06:21 PM

I'm conflicted about this "Allah" business. Part of me agrees that its a trivial matter, since "Allah" is just another name for God, and if something as simple as this can "ease tensions" then fine, no big deal. On the other hand, Christians and Jews everywhere are just about fed up with trying to appease these bloodthirsty muslims and their damn delicate sensibilities. The muslim world wants the rest of us to walk on eggshells so as not to offend them. Allah forbid these diaperheads should get offended and pissed off at everybody, no no, that'll never do! History shows that a policy of appeasement never works...no compromise or accomodation is ever enough! Sort of a "give em an inch they take a mile" type situation. Compromise is a two-way street, and when have the achmeds ever made any concessions? When have they ever met us halfway? What, they'll promise to stop lopping off heads and bombing innocents if we all start calling God "Allah"? That sounds suspiciously like conversion to me. Screw that! The only thing these maniacs understand is overwhelming force. Just like the illegal aliens, we need to round up all the sandcritters and eject them from the country, then not let anymore of them in! Not that that will ever happen. Hell no, that would make too much sense.

rhertz · 08-15-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

I'm conflicted about this "Allah" business. Part of me agrees that its a trivial matter, since "Allah" is just another name for God, and if something as simple as this can "ease tensions" then fine, no big deal. On the other hand, Christians and Jews everywhere are just about fed up with trying to appease these bloodthirsty muslims and their damn delicate sensibilities. The muslim world wants the rest of us to walk on eggshells so as not to offend them. Allah forbid these diaperheads should get offended and pissed off at everybody, no no, that'll never do! History shows that a policy of appeasement never works...no compromise or accomodation is ever enough! Sort of a "give em an inch they take a mile" type situation. Compromise is a two-way street, and when have the achmeds ever made any concessions? When have they ever met us halfway? What, they'll promise to stop lopping off heads and bombing innocents if we all start calling God "Allah"? That sounds suspiciously like conversion to me. Screw that! The only thing these maniacs understand is overwhelming force. Just like the illegal aliens, we need to round up all the sandcritters and eject them from the country, then not let anymore of them in! Not that that will ever happen. Hell no, that would make too much sense.

From your mouth to Allah's ears!!!!

08-15-2007, 03:46 PM	#1
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 307	Bishop urges Christians to call God 'Allah' http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57178 Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to ease tensions between Muslims and Christians, says a Dutch bishop. Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network" Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported. The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted. Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God. "Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years," Muskens said. "In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?" __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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Jesse Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sheveport Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	Don't think that'll fly in the good ole US of A... Interesting concept, tho. __________________ Jesse

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Texasbelle SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the woods Posts: 1,819 Rep Power: 254	It won't fly in this house. I just watched on FoxNews a debate where they are asking can you be both a Muslim and a Christian at the same time ? Apparently some preacher somewhere today said you can. I don't know what he is preaching but it must not be from the same bible I read. __________________ One shoe can change your life! Cinderella

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AnimeSpirit SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nowhere Age: 40 Posts: 1,659 Rep Power: 251	Oh boy! More political correctness in religion! __________________ Confuscious says~

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Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 307	I am that I am (Hebrew: אהיה אשר אהיה, pronounced Ehyeh asher ehyeh) is one English translation of the response God used in the Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" or "was" in Hebrew; "ehyeh" is the first person singular present/future form. Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally interpreted to mean I am that I am (King James Bible and others), yet, as indicated, is most literally translated as "I-shall-be that I-shall-be." __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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rhertz SBLive! Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,834 Rep Power: 284	Netherlands? Isn't that were drugs are practically legal? hmmmm

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howela Advanced Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Port Royal Posts: 288 Rep Power: 209	God calls me by my name, I'll call him by his.....

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Al Swearengen Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 849 Rep Power: 236	I'm conflicted about this "Allah" business. Part of me agrees that its a trivial matter, since "Allah" is just another name for God, and if something as simple as this can "ease tensions" then fine, no big deal. On the other hand, Christians and Jews everywhere are just about fed up with trying to appease these bloodthirsty muslims and their damn delicate sensibilities. The muslim world wants the rest of us to walk on eggshells so as not to offend them. Allah forbid these diaperheads should get offended and pissed off at everybody, no no, that'll never do! History shows that a policy of appeasement never works...no compromise or accomodation is ever enough! Sort of a "give em an inch they take a mile" type situation. Compromise is a two-way street, and when have the achmeds ever made any concessions? When have they ever met us halfway? What, they'll promise to stop lopping off heads and bombing innocents if we all start calling God "Allah"? That sounds suspiciously like conversion to me. Screw that! The only thing these maniacs understand is overwhelming force. Just like the illegal aliens, we need to round up all the sandcritters and eject them from the country, then not let anymore of them in! Not that that will ever happen. Hell no, that would make too much sense. __________________ Molon Labe! Last edited by Al Swearengen; 08-15-2007 at 08:15 PM.

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